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And why didn't you produce just ONE example of Holy Scripture where a member
of the Tribe of Benjamin who lived in Judaea was ever referred to as a
"jew"?
*Esther 2:5
"Now there was a Jew in Susa, the capital whose name was Mordecah, the
son of Jair, son of Shimei, son of Kish, a Benjaminite,...."
Because you cannot?
*But John, I just did.
No, Zayton, what you DID do was produce the Holy Scripture which refers to a
JEW.
Mordecai wasn't an Israelite--because he was a JEW.
*At least try to be consistant in your drivel, John. You asked for an
example of a mamber of the tribe of Benjamin being called a Jew. You claim
that members of that tribe are "Israelites" but not "Jews"; even though the
name of theri reigion of the country is the source of the term "Jew". I gave
you a reference to Mordechi, who, even though he is no longer living in
Judea is still called a Jew.
Your mistake is that you keep on claiming that the source of the word "jew"
is "theri reigion of the country" [presumably Judaea],
**It is. Jew=Judean
but you were given 200 references from the Holy Bible which dispute that
statement and instead show the source of the word "jew" to be Yhudiy and his
descendants.
**No reference has been given to any such claim. No such reference can be
given. None exists. Not 200. Not even one.
Why persist in this jewish sleight of hand, Zayton? Why do you continue to
dispute the Holy Bible?
**I have provided a single quote whch dipproves your claim that no
Benjaminite is ever called a Jew. You have practiced the "big lie" technique
by repeating the sweeping absurdity that Jews and Israe;otes are too
different peoples. You claim to have posted evidence of this, but you have
done no such thing. It is you who dispute and lie about what the Bible says.
Why do you continue to insist that the JEW Mordecai was an Israelite when
he could NOT have been an Israelite, according to both Israelite and jewish
law?
**Israelite law IS Jewish law. You said that the bible never calls a
Benjaminite a Jew. I proved you wrong. Now you want to switch lies.
Why can't you recognize that having one great-grandparent who was an
Israelite of the Tribe of Benjamin (and up to 7 great-grandparents who were
JEWS), does not make Mordecai an Israelite--it makes him a JEW?
**The text does not say that his great grandfather was a Benjaminite. It
says that he was.
ONE of Mordecai's four great-grand fathers was an Israelite, of the Tribe of
Benjamin. But because the Holy Bible referred to Mordecai a JEW and not as
an Israelite, at least ONE of his other great-grandfathers, if not all of
the rest, had to have been JEWS.
*I gave you the citatiion for Mordechi, the Benjaminite Jew; Where the
reference for your bizzaire claims. The Bible doesn't say that his
great-grandfather was both a Benjaminite and a Jew. It says that he was.
Your racist lies are in conflict with the Bible, John.
This paragraph does not say that. Re-read that paragraph very carefully.
>From the Holy Bible, we know of only ONE of his great-grandparents who was
an Israelite, and that was Kish, a Benjamite:
**No. If the text was intended to specify that it was Kish who was the
Benjaminite, the translators would have used language such as "Kish, who,
himself, was a Benjaminite.That would have been a highly uncharactaristic
bit of information to give. The name of Mordechi is followed by a string of
modifiers which list his patrimony for three generations, then his tribe:
Mordechi,
son of Jair,
son or Shimei,
son of Kish.
a Benjaminite.
This is a fairly common formal identification of someone both in the Jewish
(Israeli) and in the Arab tradition.
Est 2:5 Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was
Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
No, his great-grandfather Kish was not a jew, because he was an Israelite.
But, no, by Israelite law, if just one of Mordecai's great-grandparents was
a jew, then Mordecai was NOT an Israelite.
**As noted above, It is you who have misrepresented what the text says. Your
lie concerning Israelite law is absurd, since Jews and Israelites are the
same people.
Since Mordecai WAS a jew, at least one of his 8 great-grandparents had to
have been a jew, so he was NOT an Israelite.
**Mordechi was of the tribe of Benjamin. He was an Israelite. He was Jew.
It's well documented throughout the Holy Bible that none of the children of
an Israelite who ever married a JEW was considered to be an Israelite:
* John You keep repeating this lie, but you never give any evidence. Why?
Because there isn't any!
What better an example could you ask for than the jew Mordecai who had one
great-granparent who was an Israelite?
**What better proof, indeed, that you arre a liar. The text says Mordechi
was a Jew. (not his great grandfather, but Mordechi himself) The text also
says that Mordechi was a Benjaminite. (not his great grandfather, but
Mordechi, himself) You had claimed that no Benjamanite was ever called a
Jew. You were proved worng. Trying to attatch the tribal identification to
Kish won't work.
Mordechi was the son of Jair.
Mordechi was son of Shimei.
Mordechi was son of Kish.
Mordechi was a Benjaminite.
Joe
