"John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote in message
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>> "Zayton" <zayton at bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:aMzb9.96395$%v4.5303758 at e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...>> > AHA! But, you see John, in order to be "remnants", then by all of your
own
> > definitions, they must BE children and descendants of Abraham. They are
> the
> > children, the "seed" who remain. Some have died. Some have abandoned
their
> > faith, culture or nation. These remain! If they were never Children,
Never
> > descendants, never offspring, then they could not BE a "remnant". (
Though
> > let us remember that Remnant is just a possible implication of the term,
> it
> > primarily means, quite simply, and quite precicely that their line
sprang
> > from the sperm or seed of Abraham.
> >
>> You clearly don't understand the use of the term "remnant" here, and it's
> probably because you're a jew, which means that you'll never "understand"
> [read: admit] it. There isn't a single word here that suggests that
Christ
> claimed that anybody died off, or abandoned their faith or nation.
>> By claiming that they were "remnants of Abraham", Christ acknowledged ONLY
> that Abraham was an ancestor of these jews.
Yes, John. He was their ancestor, they were his children. Thank you for
finally admitting it.
They are a remnant, meaning they are not all of his children, but are those
who remain. This also you yourself have established by your own references.
>> He said they were NOT the "children" of Abraham, but that they WERE the
> "children" of the devil:
>> John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
it
> is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not
> in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
> speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof."
>> Are you getting the picture here? The word "children", which refers to
> their genealogy, is translated from the Greek word "teknon":
No. as you prove below that word refers to a relationship, not to geneology.
Thank you again for utterly demolishing your own silly deluded arguement.
According to your own earlier definition of "sperma" in John 8:37; you have
proved that so far as geneology was concerned, Jesus Called the Jews, "Seed
of Abraham"; however, so far as their spiritual relationship was concerned
they were not John (8:39) "tekna", that is children of God. This is what I
said in the first plact and is the opposite of your claim. You have utterly
destroyed your own theory!
>> =================================
> offspring, children
> child
> a male child, a son
> metaph.
> the name transferred to that intimate and reciprocal relationship formed
> between men by the bonds of love, friendship, trust, just as between
parents
> and children
> in affectionate address, such as patrons, helpers, teachers and the like
> employ: my child
> in the NT, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers,
> because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils
> and mould their characters
> children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to
> God, in the NT, in Paul's writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God
and
> thus closely related to God
> children of the devil: those who in thought and action are prompted by the
> devil, and so reflect his character
> metaph.
> of anything who depends upon it, is possessed by a desire or affection for
> it, is addicted to it
> one who is liable to any fate 1c
> thus children of a city: it citizens and inhabitants
> the votaries of wisdom, those souls who have, as it were, been nurtured
and
> moulded by wisdom
> cursed children, exposed to a curse and doomed to God's wrath or penalty
> =================================
>>> > If they were never Children, Never
> > descendants, never offspring, then they could not BE a "remnant".
>> So you expect us to believe you and not believe Christ?:
It is you who refuse to believe Christ and teach the opposite.
>> John 8:37 "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me,
> because my word hath no place in you."
Seed, as your material from Strong's proved, refers to geneology; So Jesus
says that his opponents are the biological offspring of Abraham, the very
point you want to deny.
>> John 8:39 "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus
> saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of
> Abraham."
Children, as your own post above demonstrates refers to a non physical
relationship, including that of pupils to teacher. It refers to the
emotional, intellectual and spiritual bond between parent and child, not to
the physical. They are of the geneology of Abrham, but are not acting as
children of such a father should act..
>>Joe
