"kenneth collins" <kenneth.p.collins at worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| "Peter F - for EIMC Internetional Ptd. Lty." <fell_spamtrap_in at ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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| news:2Z7Ld.42776$8u5.261 at bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...|| > "Peter F - for EIMC Internetional Ptd. Lty." <fell_spamtrap_in at ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
|| > news:2K6Ld.691$t57.24088 at nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...|| > | [...]
|| > | I think you would find - if you looked - that not only
|| > | are the central tenets of Janov's view is - like yours -
|| > | based on scientific facts, but that it also is satisfyingly
|| > | complementary to your insights.
|| > |
|| > | But of course, you may never care to look.
|| > | At least to that extent we live in a free world! :-)
|| > |
|| > | Cheers,
|| > |
|| > | Peter
|| >
|| > You posted a "Janov" web site a while back.
|| >
|| > I took a serious look at it and found it to be
|| > a "commercial" site that wanted to "sell"
|| > stuff. So I left without pursuing it any further.
|||| That response of yours examplifies *your own
|| insight* into how each our - of us conditioning - environment
|| can groove/incline us towards different blindly automated
|| predjudices.
|||| <snip>
|||| > With respect to your oft-reiterated invocation
|| > of "Janov", I was hoping that you'd just dis-
|| > cuss what it is that you want me to consider.
|||| For example:
|||| Janov's therapeutic and theoretical emphasis of
|| the importance of allowing/facilitating new neural connections
|| that very much in depth dispell the defensively misconnected gating reflexes
|| that preserve/perpetuate CURSES.
|||| A certain Primal Pain (CURSES) is not just a
|| kind of memory (or engram) of a lifetime situation that
|| caused signals being sent by one (or more) - for "pain detection"
|| specialized - neuron.
|||| It also is -- in agreement with your view of your "TD E/I-up/down"
|| brain functional and behaviour-organizing principle --
|| an increase in different glutamatergic firing frequencies
|| (e.g. caused by a lack of instinctively required
|| type of sensory input - e.g., from an absence of physical touch in
|| an person's first months and years of life) that
|| at certain frequency-thresholds trigger not just
|| the realease of pain correlated signal substances
|| such as substance P, and that at long enough durations of such
|| stimulation/firing (and/or given a sufficient inhibitory competition
|| from other actention modules within the Actention Selection System)
|| get to be counteracted by opioids and/or GABA-ergic lateral
||inhibition (from the "competing" modules).
|| [...]
Arthur Janov -- "Primal Therapy".
As of what I'd encountered by 1977,
nothing indicates that Janov had cor-
related his position with anything like
what's in your paragraph immediately
above. He did comment upon drug-
abuse [LSD, Marijuana, and others].
But the book I dug out of my "deep
freeze", which it turns out I've never
read, =The Primal Scream Primal
Therapy: The Cure For Neurosis=,
1970, makes no mention of Neuro-
science -- which is how I'd remem-
bered it. [It must've either been dis-
cussed in a class I took, or I'd form-
erly flipped-through the book, and
put it on the shelf. I flipped-through
it tonight to search for Neuroscience
correlates, which was when I found
his comments on drug-abuse. That
stuff was "in-vogue" back then --
Timothy Leary, "flower children",
"hippies", Viet Nam War, etc.]
Perhaps you were "suggesting" that
I'm 'neurotic'? :-]
Honest, all I am is "unafraid" of what
folks do to folks who Honor Truth --
so I routinely discuss stuff that "fright-
ens" most folks into 'silence'.
What's fallen to me to do is mutually-
exclusive with 'silence'. So I just do
what needs to be done, and "take my
lumps".
Folks who're "afraid" call that 'neur-
otic", be-cause doing so enables them
to achieve 'td e/i-minimization'.
So, after Retracting a bit, I'll stand on
what I've posted with respect to Jan-
ov's view.
But I'm Happy for our interaction re.
this stuff because one of the places
I looked for info on Janov was The
Encyclopedia Britannica. Found no-
thing on Janov, but I did find some
=Interesting= stuff with respect to
"fever".
So I'll discuss "NLP-Medicine a bit
more in another post.
ken [k. p. collins]
