OT: Nostradamus on Bush
af329 at freenet.hamilton.on.ca
Sun Jan 7 05:36:56 EST 2001
: Scott Nudds <af329 at freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote in message
: news:938bsb$o7r$5 at mohawk.hwcn.org...
: > David Gossman (dgossman at gcisolutions.com) wrote:
: > : Actually Nudds, that you can not see that your posts proved nothing
: > : regarding what I said simply demonstrates the serious state of self
: > : that you continue to find yourself in. Get help soon Nudds.
: > Gossman once again proves himself incapable of logical argument. He
: > resorts to his typical pattern of ignorant denial and personal insults.
David Gossman (dgossman at gcisolutions.com) wrote:
: Actaully, Nudds, I gave you a chance to point out your logic and it is you
: who has now resorted to repeating your personal attacks rather than debating
: the topic - typical Nudds "honesty".
Where is the personal attack Gossman? Your inability to argue logically
has simply been exposed. It hardly matters if you find the truth
insulting. The truth is the truth no matter how you try to continually
lie about it.
: > Once again I will illustrate his murderous undertone of his extremist
: > conservative ideology...
: Either that or you will illustrate your need to maintain your state of self
Denial of reality is a way of life for Libertarians like Gossman.
: > Gossman's lies
: > --------------
: > "I suppose this is consistant with the claim made by
: > Libertarian/Rayndite Gossman who holds that those who threaten the
: > rights he claims to hold, can be murdered without legal penalty." -
: > Scott Nudds
: > "Nudds yet again provides a post that proves himself the liar since I
: > said no such thing." - David Gossman - April 10, 2000 - Sci.Environment
: > There is no right to life for someone that violates or threatens the right
: > of others." - "David Gossman" <dgossman at gcisolutions.com> -
: > austin.general,sci.environment,talk.environment - Aug 9, 1999
: > : > Gossman Jabbers:
: > : > : Nudds knows that correlation is not causation.
: > : >
: > : > But apparently Gossman doesn't. For it is not I who has attempted
: > : > argue that the cause of lowered murder rates is a higher gun ownership
: > : > rate, it is gun grubbers like Gossman and the NRA.
: > : >
: > : > What a shame the evidence is against him.
: > : >
: > : > No doubt he will follow up with more fabrications and lies as he
: > : > typically does. Perhaps he will simply engage in denial - another
: > : > tactic among extremist conservatives like Gossman.
: > Gossman jabbers:
: > : Actaully the studies that I am referring to compared demographically
: > : states over the same time period where one state inacted concealed carry
: > : laws and the other did not.
: > Gossman holds up dishonest NRA statistics while ignoring honest CDC
: > statistis that once again prove him to be a liar.
: The statisitcs were not developed by the NRA. But keep digging yourself in
: deeper Nudds.
Oh, we all know they were. If not directly then through their purchase
from some conservative disinformation organization like the CEI or the
Birds of a feather lie together.
: > Gossman Jabbers:
: > : The crime rates can then be compared without any other factors screwing
: > : up the data.
: > Indeed lets compare murder rates.
: Which has nothing to do with the issue we were discussing, a comparison of
: US states that have legalized concealed carry vs those that have not.
The comparison is quite valid. The American cities have murder rates
that are consistantly many times larger than similar sized cities in first
world socialist states like Canada.
The question remains Gossman. - The question you perpetually refuse to
answer - is what is the aspect of U.S. society that makes America such a
murderous and uncivilized country compared to the rest of the socialist
first world nations?
Are you afraid to answer the question Gossman? Do you fear that the
answer will simply confirm your pubicly stated claim that you have the
right and even the moral obligation to murder your fellow countrymen
should they even do so little as to simply threaten what you - often
incorrectly - proclaim are your "rights"?
Clearly you must fear the answer if you have for so may years refused to
answer the question.
How sad it is that rational thought so clearly indicates that it is your
own conservative ideology that is the reason for the high murder rate that
you so cowardly fear.
For someone who is regularly seen commenting on "unintended
consequences" you seem blissfully ignorant of such consequences when their
are the result of your own extremist libertarian ideology.
That's why your perpetual display of public ignorance and dishonesty is
: To bad you are that dense - or is it "honesty".
Oh, with me, it's always honesty. Sadly, with you, it's quite the
opposite. How shameful.
: > Murder rate/100K comparison of U.S. and Canadian cities of equal size
: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
: > Stats Can/FBI figures (1992)
: > Canada United States
: > ------------------- --------------------
: > St. Johns 0.6 Seattle 11.0
: > Ottawa-Hull 1.4 Boston 12.7
: > Winnipeg 2.0 Denver 19.3
: > Toronto 2.3 Philadelphia 26.5
: > Halifax 2.5 New York City 27.0
: > Montreal 3.3 Los Angeles 30.0
: > Vancouver 3.7 Miami 34.2
: > Edmonton 3.8 Dallas 37.0
: > Calgary 4.6 Detroit 57.0
: > Thunder Bay 5.6 Washington 75.2
: Nudds, we know that Canada has a lower murder rate. That you are unaware or
: refuse to look at the cultural differences that produce that result is the
: only thing you demonstrate with his post.
Why are we first world socialists more civilized than Capitalists in
America Gossman? What is it about capitalist America in your view that
makes American's have a need to murder each other in such large numbers?
Given your publicly stated demand to be able to murder your fellow
Americans, you must know what drives yourself Gossman. Do you have enough
self awareness to tell us what that motivation is? Or are you more like a
dog who reacts but doesn't really know why?
: > : > On several occasions I have asked Gossman to tell me what aspect of
: > : > American life makes more murderous and less civilized than the rest of
: > : > first world.
: > : >
: > : > To date he has been unable to produce a sentient response.
: > Gossman jabbers:
: > : That you have been unable to understand is the issue.
Yes, once again Gossman is asked, and once again Gossman fails to
respond with substance. He falls back on his old pattern of evasion and
: > Quite laughable coming from Gossman the lying Libertarian who has
: > repeatedly demonstrated his need to continuously redefine the english
: > language to support his extremist conservative ideology, even to the point
: > of promoting the murder of citizens who simply "threaten" what he
: > proclaims - often incorrectly - what are his rights.
: Ah yes - now we have the change the topic and launch a personal attack since
: he can't respond on topic style response from Nudds - typical.
And again Gossman can foster no argument against the facts. All he can
do is whine about how the facts are somehow a personal insult.
Honest individuals never claim that facts are insults. Those who do
make such claims are simply demonstrating either the depth of their
ignorance, or the depth of their dishonesty.
: > Gosman isn't smart enough to realize that guns are available in these
: > places because they are purchased in convenient locations where he and his
: > murderous NRA brethren have made guns plentyful and easy to purchase.
: Nudds is unaware just how easy it is to make a gun - banning their purchase
: nation wide would be like spitting in the wind but worse, since only then
: the criminal element would have th guns. Why does Nudds want to disarm law
: abiding citizens so that the criminal element can prey on them?
Gossman continues with his failed and long discredited argument.
Perhaps next week he will argue that all forms of explosive should be
legalized since when explosives are illegal, then only criminals will
be able to blow up their fellow citizens.
As to the ease with which a gun can be made, the issue is not relevant
for the very same reason the issue of making explosives and poisons is not
No, Gossman's complaint is not based on rational thinking. It is based
on fear, cowardice and psychopathic self absorption. The classic
motivation of all Liberatairians.
: > Gossman and the NRA rely on the socially destructive fact that hate
: > breeds hate. This is not surprising as Gossman perpetually demonstrates
: > his immoral, anti-social ideology.
: Still more name calling and slander because that is all you have inside you
: to dish out. Get help soon Nudds. Your obsession is starting to show.
And for the 3rd time, Gossman finds himself unable to produce a rational
argument and as a result can do nothing but lie about how facts are
insults... Blah, Blah.. Blah... Ignorance, deceit. Classic Gossman.
: > Gossman and the NRA need to maintain primitive culture based on the
: > threat of death in order to keep crime rates and gun sales as high as
: > possible.
: I need to do that? Why, Nudds? Your lack of logic is astounding for someone
: who claims to be intelligent.
Apparently you have some need to threaten to murder others. I don't
know it's origin. But it clearly derrives in large part from the
psycopathic self interest you have repeatedly demonstrated as illustrated
through your various statements promoting the murder of your fellow
: > Meanwhile here in the civilized world, unlike the U.S. there is
: > typically no need for the elderly to carry either hand guns or hat pins in
: > order to protect themselves from their neighbours.
: We are not talking about protecting them from their neighbors. Are you
: suggesting there are no murders, no stalkers, no home invasion, no abusive
: spouses in Canada, Nudds?
Indeed we are talking about your neighbours. Your desire to carry a
conceiled handgun is clearly for the purpose of killing your neighbours
should they in your own words "threaten to violate your rights".
Why are you lying Gossman?
There are indeed criminals here in Canada. And here in Canada we know
that we can deal with them without the threat of murderous retribution.
Why is this lesson from first world socialist nations lost on cowardly
american conservatives like yourself?
Have you been receiving death threats?
I have received multiple death threats from many of your American
conservative brothers. Rather than purchas a gun like a coward, I
laughed, just as I continue to laugh at you.
: You and yours may have created an environment
: where the victims are essentially helpless in your country. Luckily you
: don't vote here.
Meanwhile your citizens are helpless from being shot on new years eve
from random bullets falling from the sky, and helpless from being shot
during school hours, helpless being shot at work, helpless being shot
walking down the street, as well as helpless being shot by their own
family members and helpless being shot during an unsuspected breakin.
Here in the civilized socialist states, we'll take the lowered crime
rate any day.
: > Gossman ends his ignorant blather with another dishonest denial followed
: > by another personal insult.
: Hey Nudds, you are the one posting this nonsense. That you can't recognize
: it for what it is rather clearly suggests some serious mental difficluties.
: I think I am being rather generous in my evaluation to date.
Gossman ends his ignorant blather with another dishonest denial followed
by another personal insult.
I thank him for providing me with yet another opportunity to expose him
as the perpetual liar he has repeatedly proven to be.
: > Gossman defends killing police officers
: > ---------------------------------------
: > "Gossman has the right to freedom of assembly and travel. In Gossman's
: > world if someone were to restrict his right to travel, say by locking
: > him in a jail, or restricting his right to assembly such as preventing
: > him from attending a KKK rally, then the person or persons restricting
: > these rights have according to him "no right to life"." - Scott Nudds
: > Gossman's response:
: > "Which is why if someone kidnaps you in order to accomplish these goals
: > "may have deadly force used against them." - David Gossman -
: > Sci.environment - March 25, 2000
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