[Annelida] RE: AnnulataOerstediana

Sergio Salazar via annelida%40net.bio.net (by savs551216 from hotmail.com)
Fri Sep 14 07:01:04 EST 2012

Dear Geoff and colleagues, Thanks a lot for the couple of messages. Danny might share his views later on this. In the meantime, I'm now in Moscow and my library is in Chetumal, but glad to hear you found the footnote for the publication years. Not sure about the eventual and possible discussion when some names introduced by Kinberg for tropical America, during those same years, might be regarded as synonyms with some of Grube (and co-authors) names. Hope our colleagues enjoy tracking this type of problems, and help improve our understanding of the situation. The issue about Hemipodus/Hemipodia has not been solved, I guess. Hope someone can find out the correct publication dates and clarify it. We tried to indicate that one of our objectives was to encourage doing taxonomic revisions and this often include a clarification of publication dates and evaluation of proposed synonymies, together with the standardized redescription/illustrations for the included species. Hope we can see more revisions in the near future.  Best wishes, Sergio From: Geoffrey.Read from niwa.co.nz
To: savs551216 from hotmail.com; annelida from magpie.bio.indiana.edu
Subject: RE: AnnulataOerstediana
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 10:35:52 +0000

Ah, I’ve found the footnote Mary was referring to.
It seems to indicate the journal up to p.199, which would include ALL of the second part of Grube Annulata Örstediana, was distributed to the respective authors
 in October 1857.  But does that advance part 2 from Grube, 1858 to Grube 1857?  What do you think?
Look at the bottom of :
I’d love to get into following the Hemipodus / Hemipodia explanation (had some qualms when Markus changed it). Another day perhaps.

From: annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu [mailto:annelida-bounces from oat.bio.indiana.edu]
On Behalf Of Geoff Read

Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 8:41 p.m.

To: Sergio Salazar; Annelida discussion group

Subject: [Annelida] RE: AnnulataOerstediana


Hi Sergio and all,
Yes, Wolff & Petersen (1991) pointed out long ago that Grube generously gave credit to Ørsted and Kröyer. I’m not so sure we need to follow him, since officially
 only Grube wrote the text (that’s what it says at the beginning of each part), and the citation is unaffected, but it’s up to individuals how they like to cite the authorities. You like added complexity – go for it I say!
Not sure where you get four parts (comment your first page) from the reference list in Wolff & Petersen (1991:680). Explain please.
Mary Petersen gave a further updated date breakdown in Chaetozone 4 in 1994, in which part 2 was suggested to be published for nomenclature purposes between
 October 1857 and February 1858 respectively. There was apparently a footnote below the "Indhold" (contents) page of the journal volume suggesting this to her, but the full volume was issued in Feb.  The importance of looking into confirming this would depend
 on if there are tight priority issues.

From: Sergio Salazar
[mailto:savs551216 from hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 2:56 a.m.

To: Geoff Read; Annelida discussion group

Subject: AnnulataOerstediana


Dear colleagues,


In case you are interested about the many species described from the Caribbean, Central America, Brazil and Chile by Grube (and others) in the series
Annulata Öerstediana, you might find useful a note that Danny Eibye-Jacobsen and me have just published trying to solve some confusions.


Please take a look at it in




Best wishes,




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