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johnburgin at worldnet.att.net johnburgin at worldnet.att.net
Tue Nov 3 19:22:09 EST 1998

On 2 Nov 1998 20:36:17 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
Hogan) wrote:

>In article <363a015d.328914173 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:58:55 -0700, marnix at u.washington.edu (Marnix L.
>>Bosch) wrote:
>>>In article <363928d8.273477005 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:46:20 -0700, marnix at u.washington.edu (Marnix L.
>>>> Bosch) wrote:
>>>> >The point you were trying to make was that presence of antibodies
>>>> >signified protection. You were shown to be wrong. Anything else you can't
>>>> >explain ? 
>>>> Marnix, Marnix, Marnix.  What have I been shown wrong for?  
>>>see above
>>I repeat, where have I been wrong?  I said that you can't have it both
>>ways.  You can't use the immunity defense when things work and forget
>>about it when things don't.  I repeat, what will the HIV serologic
>>status be for a person "immunized" against "a" strain of HIV?
>I really don't have the time for this crap anymore
Then quit.. I just keep 
>correcting you so that, god forbid, some vulnerable, just-tested-
>positive person doesn't stumble in to this group and hear all these 
>lies unanswered.
Now, that's exactly the same reason I stay on, to protect them from
>I will make this brief:
>1.Antibodies are to antigen, not to whole microorganisms. There is not 
>"a" HIVantibody, but rather Abs to gp120, gp41, p24, p17 etc. etc.
>2. Abs are not the be-all and end-all of the immune system - in the case
>of HIV (and most other obligate intercellulars) cell mediated
>immunity is much more critical.
>3. Nobody has ever been immunized with "a" strain of HIV. Vaccines
>use recombinantly created antigen, or stripped down denatured HIV,
>both with a variety of adjuvants. Nobody has ever been inoculated
>with whole HIV (living or dead) as the risk is simply too high.
That wasn't what I call "brief".  Just "uncle" would have sufficed.
>Take your meds.
Not me, no sir. jb

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