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Wed Nov 4 17:29:25 EST 1998

On 4 Nov 1998 20:55:01 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
Hogan) wrote:

>In article <363f98b9.88372784 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>On 2 Nov 1998 19:37:52 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>>Hogan) wrote:
>>>In article <36367faa.99068159 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>>> <johnburgin at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:11:36 -0700, marnix at u.washington.edu (Marnix L.
>>>>Bosch) wrote:
>>>>>In article <36364960.85168152 at netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
>>>>>johnburgin at worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>>>>> On 27 Oct 1998 17:49:13 GMT, carlton at walleye.ccbr.umn.edu (Carlton
>>>>>> Hogan) wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >You are a silly and amazingly ignorant man. In the below you state:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >">If, assuming that you are correct, which I don't believe, that
>>>>>> >>antibodies do "not" always mean that you have conquered infection, as
>>>>>> >>I stated before, how can you arbitrarily recommend using them to
>>>>>> >>signify protection one time(as with prophylactic vaccination against
>>>>>> >>Hepatitis B and not with HIV?  What, please tell me, would an
>>>>>> >>individual "vaccinated" against HIV present as proof of immunization?
>>>>>> >>He would be HIV + of course!  Again, are these "non-neutralizing"
>>>>>> >>antibodies in the latter case or neutralizing antibodies in the first
>>>>>> >>case?"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Your stupidity is amazing. I never have said that I "reccomend using them
>>>>>> >to signify protection". 
>>>>>> I never said that YOU did.  You don't treat patients, remember?
>>>>>> Not only are you a pompous ass, you're a defensive pompous ass.  Talk
>>>>>> to me, us, about "enhancing" antibodies.  A few of my other ignorant
>>>>>> medical colleagues, including 2 board certified medical pathologist
>>>>>> and a molecular biologist are laughing their asses off at your
>>>>>> bullshit.  Do you really believe that because you say something in
>>>>>> scientific jargon that people believe it?  If they can't understand
>>>>>> what you are saying, and they don't know who you are, why should they
>>>>>> believe you?  Come on, talk to us all, o.k., just me about "enhancing"
>>>>>> antibodies.  Make your case.  No references to medline searches.  They
>>>>>> don't bring up the term. 
>>>>>PubMed search: enhancing antibodies: 421 hits; enhancing antibodies AND
>>>>>HIV: 43 hits. 
>>>>>> MY stupidity is amazing?  
>>>>Give us a few sites to get started, big boy. jb
>>>Can't you just be a man, and admit you are wrong? Such realistic humility
>>>is the first step to learning.
>>Can't you just agree to a one on one debate with someone like Rasnick
>>or Duesberg that will cut your balls off?jb
>Steve Harris, Bob Holzman, George Carter and I have all agreed to debate 
>Duesberg, making the offers over a five-six year period. Nobody 
>has shown up.
It's one thing to "agree" amongst yourselves, it's quite another to
make the offer in front of the scientific community.  You guys(except
George) are pathetic.jb

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