Bill Ward bward*remove_this* at ix.netcom.com
Sun May 17 17:50:15 EST 1998

react at ix.netcom.com wrote:

>Bill Ward wrote:

>>  The difference between
>> the private sector and the public sector is persuasion versus
>> coercion.

[react responded:]
>No.  The private sector is coercive, using the power of the public
>sector to be so.

Thank you for making my point.  The private sector is not coercive,
so those wishing to force others to submit to their will must
involve the public sector, or become part of the criminal sector.  

>The public sector is persuasive and must be, as is
>clearly illustrated by any political discussion.

Try refusing to pay taxes and see just how "persuasive" the public
sector is.  Continue, and you will face the use of force against
you. It is coercive.

>>  Collectivism of any denomination requires force.

>And you claim that the workplace - surely the most private of private
>sectors - is not coercive?

Yes, I do.  In the private sector, if I don't like one job, I am
free to quit and get another.  If I want to sell something, I need
only find a willing buyer.  If force is required, it is a sure sign
that the public or criminal sector is involved. 

>And you claim that the election process,
>surely the most public of public sectors, is not persuasive?  Surely
>you're joking.

No, the election process is the method of choosing those who are
allowed to exercize the power of coercion assigned to the public
sector.  Our Constitution does not guarantee we get good government,
but it does ensure we get the government we deserve. 

>>  The
>> private sector cannot use force - that is reserved for the public
>> and criminal sectors.

>Ask those who are laid off whether they were persuaded to leave or were
>coerced into leaving.  A simple test of the power of the private sector
>to coerce. 

You are using a strange new meaning of "coerce".  If an employer is
required by the public sector to retain an employee against the
employer's wishes, that is coercion.  If an employee is required to
stay working at a job against his wishes, that is coercion
(slavery).  When both employer and employee are satisfied, coercion
is not required.  Coercion is physical force.  Economics is


>> Please call me an idiot too -- coming from the likes of you I
>> consider it a high compliment.

>Then I'm afraid you must consider yourself complimented, for in fact
>your arguments are...unconvincing.

Thank you, I am indeed honored.

Bill Ward

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