RESULT: sci.anthropology.paleo passes 164:11

Ron "Asbestos" Dippold rdippold at qualcomm.com
Sun Jan 9 22:56:18 EST 1994

	unmoderated group sci.anthropology.paleo passes 164:11

There were 164 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 175 valid
votes.  There was 1 abstain and 3 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and
NO) votes.  There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator
of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
sci.anthropology.paleo	Evolution of man and other primates.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party.  All questions
regarding voting and procedure or reports of problems should be mailed
to Jan Isley <jan at bagend.atl.ga.us>.

Jan has had some problems on his end with getting the results out.  He
sent me the raw results files and I've created this results posting.

All questions regarding the proposed new group should be mailed to
the proposer, Danny Yee <danny at orthanc.cs.su.OZ.AU>


sci.anthropology.paleo is for the discussion of the evolution of the 
genus Homo, and more generally of the primates.  Some of the topics 
likely to be covered include:

* primatology (primate social interactions, comparative morphology, ape
	languages, etc.)

* paleoanthropology "proper" (discussion of new fossil finds, etc.)

* the origins of human language and cognition

* the origins of distinctive human morphological features (bipedalism, 
	big brain, hairlessness, etc.)

* biological and genetic variation in Homo sapiens relevant to our evolution
	(e.g. mitochondrial DNA studies)

* sociobiological arguments that rely on evolutionary considerations.


Some subjects recently debated that would find a place in 

* The "African Eve" vs multi-regionalism debate

* The Aquatic Ape


Often it is easier to define something by explaining what it isn't, or
by looking at its boundaries with similar entities.  An example of this
>from biology is the Biological Species Concept, where species are
defined in terms of the mechanisms separating them from other species
(Ernst Mayr, 1969b); in anthropology the nature of the boundaries
between different groups are often critical to their self-identification
(see Frederik Barth, _Ethnic Groups and Boundaries_, 1969).  So in order
to explain what belongs in sci.anthropology.paleo a discussion of the
boundaries with the "neighbouring" newsgroups may help.  

*** sci.bio.evolution (if created), sci.bio, bionet.molbio.evolution

Discussions particular to human or primate evolution belong in
sci.anthropology.paleo; those on general evolutionary principles and on
the specific evolutionary histories of other taxa in sci.bio.evolution.
There is some overlap in the application of general theories, methods
and models of evolutionary biology to the primates in particular.  There
are also significant overlaps with sci.bio and bionet.molbio, and some
crossposting is expected there.  

Some sample questions that would make appropriate crossposts are: 

* Is there evidence for punctuated equilibrium in human evolution?
* What are the physiological features of aquatic mammals that are shared
by man? (sci.bio) 

* How does the latest work on molecular clocks tie in with the dating of
the Pan/Homo split?  (bionet.molbio.evolution)

*** sci.anthropology (with acknowledgements to Cameron Laird)

In general anything which refers directly to human evolution
should be posted to sci.anthropology.paleo.  Some examples of
questions which should be crossposted are:

* What material constraints (water, temperature, energy, protein, ...)
limit traditional human cultures which exploit savannahs?  Should we
expect the same to be true of australopithecines?

* Where can I find the best contemporary data which might speak to
multi-regional origins of our species?  Has anyone updated [Smith 1991]
on continuities in jaw anatomy between neanderthals and modern

* The sizes of viable cultural communities recorded in HRAF seem to
bottom out around several hundred.  Paleo-anthropologists most often
talk about bands of at most two dozen hominids.  When did our ancestors
start identifying with larger groups?  

*** talk.origins

Discussion of religious issues belongs in talk.origins; it is not
appropriate for sci.anthropology.paleo.  It is envisaged that there will
be few crossposts between the two groups, and those that do occur will
narrow followups to one of the groups.  Appropriate material for a
crosspost might be a request for information on a scientific aspect of
human evolution that happens to be important in the context of a debate
in talk.origins.  

*** sci.lang, alt.memetics

Discussion of non-biological (linguistic or cultural) evolution is not
within the sci.anthropology.paleo charter.  Discussion of the relevance
of ape language experiments to understanding of the origins of human
language could appropriately be cross-posted between sci.lang and

*** sci.cognitive

Discussion of the origins of human cognitive abilities might be
appropriately crossposted to sci.cognitive and sci.anthropology.paleo.
An example would be the invocation of evolutionary arguments in
_Consciousness Explained_ (Dennett 1991).  

*** alt.alien.visitors, sci.skeptic

Claims of extraterrestrial involvement in human origins belong in these


Please note, however, that the above are only guidelines.  Posters should
use their own discretion, but they are encouraged to think about both the
Newsgroups: and Followups-To: lines of their posts.  I can't imagine a
sensible crosspost to sci.anthropology.paleo and comp.os.research, but I
wouldn't want to rule out the possibility a priori.  

unmoderated group sci.anthropology.paleo Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
030ROBB at witsvma.wits.ac.za                                       Robert Brooks
3SS63 at QUCDN.QueensU.CA                                            Steve Sansom
aajri at marlin.jcu.edu.au                                            James Innes
adamsd at CERF.NET                                                  Douglas Adams
ahouse at hydra.rose.brandeis.edu                         Jeremy Creighton Ahouse
alr2 at midway.uchicago.edu                                            John Alroy
ALVARD at dickinson.edu                                            Michael Alvard
Ant at equinox.gen.nz                                                         Ant
an_rrs at selway.umt.edu                                            Randy Skelton
baffico at mv.us.adobe.com                                            Tom Baffico
bdmartin at uafhp.uark.edu                                           Bobby Martin
bds at ipp-garching.mpg.de                                         Bruce d. Scott
benjamin.franz at m.cc.utah.edu                                    Benjamin Franz
benke at sfu.ca                                                                  
bestc at ucs.orst.edu                                                 Curtis Best
BOAZ at gwuvm.gwu.edu                                                Noel T. Boaz
boothc at kenyon.edu                                                 Carter Booth
bromage at mdw011.cc.monash.edu.au                                  David Bromage
bud at mtek.com                                                        Bud Hovell
buglady at bronze.lcs.mit.edu                                     Aliza R. Panitz
C741SCB at SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU                                          Allen Gathman
camilla at netcom.com                                          Camilla Cracchiolo
carlson at tamvm1.tamu.edu                                       David L. Carlson
CAVDBERG at tuvira.ciagri.usp.br                              Cassio van den Berg
chan at lake.scar.utoronto.ca                                         Leslie Chan
chaos at concorde.com                                                 I. Iguanama
CHOPLIN at UNIV-TOURS.FR                                            Herve Choplin
chris at eso.mc.xerox.com                                             Chris Heiny
chuahl at cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU                                    Chua Hak Lien
CKMOTORKA at pimacc.pima.edu                                           CHILE GURU
claird at sugar.NeoSoft.COM                                         Cameron Laird
CLANCEY at SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU                               Patrick Clancey
cnedin at geology.adelaide.edu.au                                     Chris Nedin
colby at biology.bu.edu                                               Chris Colby
cs5121 at ccub.wlv.ac.uk                                             J.A.Dennison
dalfes at TRBOUN.BITNET                                             Nuzhet DALFES
danny at orthanc.cs.su.oz.au                                            Danny Yee
davidsen at tmr.com                                                 Bill Davidsen
DBerline at forestek.csir.co.za                                    Derek Berliner
delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu                                 Scott C DeLancey
dhouston at moose.uvm.edu                                           David Houston
djp at santafe.edu                                                    David Padwa
dmurphy at cwa.COM                                                     Dan Murphy
dolber at cs.duke.edu                                              Paul C. Dolber
dominiq at rice.cor2.epa.gov                                   Dominique Bachelet
donovan at bnr.ca                                                 Marc M. Donovan
drayer at minerva.cis.yale.edu                                     Rebecca Drayer
duston at antares.nosc.mil                                           Brian Duston
engwall at zorro.cecer.army.mil                                      Evan Engwall
erika at informix.com                                                       erika
fearghas at challis.demon.co.uk                                    Fearghas McKay
federhen at wisp.nlm.nih.gov                                       Scott Federhen
finleyd at ukelele.GCR.COM                                           David Finley
fisher at ivy.dt.navy.mil                                           Steven Fisher
FJH30276 at UDELVM.BITNET                                         Karen Rosenberg
franklig at GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU                                Gregory C Franklin
frederil at qus102.qld.npb.telecom.com.au                       Laust Frederiksen
g8713026 at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca                                   Anouk Behara
Geoff.Arnold at East.Sun.COM                                         Geoff Arnold
geoffm at cogs.susx.ac.uk                                         Geoffrey Miller
geroldf at sdd.hp.com                                                 Gerold Firl
gil at cc.gatech.edu                                                   Gil Neiger
GRPOOL at UNB.CA                                                     Gail R. Pool
HARVEY at INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU                                          James Harvey
heck at theo2.physik.uni-stuttgart.de                                            
heilmayr at math.berkeley.edu                                    Stephan Heilmayr
henrik at biology.ucsc.edu                                                  Kibak
hirai at cc.swarthmore.edu                                             Eiji Hirai
hjd at maties.sun.ac.za                                                H J Deacon
huston at access.digex.net                                            Herb Huston
I3150101 at DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE                                   Benedikt Rosenau
IAWJLEC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU                                         Leslie Carlin
igor at frege.mrg.dist.unige.it                                    Igor Zamberlan
J5J at PSUVM.PSU.EDU                                              John A. Johnson
jamison at merle.acns.nwu.edu                                                    
JAMQC at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU                                           JAMES A. MOORE
jbieley at eti.bio.uva.nl                                                        
jcardozo at conicit.ve                                    Jesus Cardozo (FUNVENA)
jchokey at leland.Stanford.EDU                             James Alexander Chokey
jdavis at comtch.iea.com                                               Joel Davis
JEJOHNS at erenj.com                                                Jack Johnston
jenike at anthro.sscnet.ucla.edu                                      Mark Jenike
jesup at cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com                                   Randell Jesup
jgift at netcom.com                                                 Jonathan Gift
jimj at eecs.umich.edu                                                 Jim Jewett
jjh00 at eng.amdahl.com                                                Joel Hanes
jmulick at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                               James A Mulick
jonivar at festival.edinburgh.ac.uk                                              
jperry at mercury.forestry.Umn.EDU                                      Jim Perry
jshreeve at cap.gwu.edu                                             James Shreeve
jsp2 at ukc.ac.uk                                                                
jwjhix at cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk                                       John Hicks
kantner at alishaw.ucsb.edu                                          John Kantner
keck at zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu                                           Paul Keck
kenc at fenris.com                                                     Ken Corbin
KGA at UNCMVS.OIT.UNC.EDU                                       Kermyt G Anderson
KONTARAKI at nefeli.cc.uch.gr                                                    
KUCHTA at GAMMA.IS.TCU.EDU                                             Tim Kuchta
kuserk at moravian.edu                                               Frank Kuserk
L15D at ZFN.uni-bremen.de                                       Martin Schr\"oder
lachlan at dmp.csiro.au                                         Lachlan Cranswick
ldaly at acs.bu.edu                                                     Liza Daly
leh1 at Lehigh.EDU                                               Lynn E. Hanninen
lenore at cs.duke.edu                                                 Lenore Ramm
litherland-o at nova.novanet.org                                                 
LMILES at UTCVM.UTC.EDU                                                 Lyn Miles
lofstrom at uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu                                 Karen Lofstrom
lonadar at judy.indstate.edu                                Victor E Aldridge III
lrf6as at leeds.ac.uk                                                   A Staines
lsj at uki.hj.se                                                Sverker Johansson
lwiig at bishop.bishop.hawaii.org                                      Linda Wiig
lyndae at orca.fhcrc.org                                         Lynda Marie Emel
mar at physics.su.OZ.AU                                                 David Mar
martin at orca.tamu.edu                                           Kimberly Martin
mazzarel at math.berkeley.edu                                    Ariel Mazzarelli
MBAUSER at KENTVM.KENT.EDU                                         Michael Bauser
mcdonald at bsm.biochemistry.ucl.ac.uk                               Ian McDonald
mdiffin at mrc-crc.ac.uk                                          Dr. M.C. Diffin
mhinkes at natick-emh1.army.mil                                  Madeleine Hinkes
milton at bruny.cc.utas.edu.au                                    Simon K. Milton
MROPER31 at MAINE.maine.edu                                         Marilyn Roper
mrwarden at phoenix.Princeton.EDU                           Melissa Rhoads Warden
neilb at physics.su.OZ.AU                                                Amfortas
neslu at coyote.rain.org                                          William Paulsen
nicholas.breen at travel.com                                       Nicholas Breen
park at unixg.ubc.ca                                                  Robert Park
pdc at dcs.ed.ac.uk                                                  Paul Crowley
PESOLE at PLAUTO.CSATA.IT                                         GRAZIANO PESOLE
pickens at onyx.dseg.ti.com                                             Rod Picks
PJC at waikato.ac.nz                                               Peter Charlton
pound at ruf.rice.edu                                     Christopher Brian Pound
quinn at phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                      Michael Quinn
R.BOOT at cc.uq.edu.au                                                Robert Boot
revu at midway.uchicago.edu                                      Sendhil Revuluri
rhoenes at picasso.ocis.temple.edu                                 Richard Hoenes
robinson at ltpsun.gsfc.nasa.gov                                     Jon Robinson
roth at mendel.grenet.fr                                              Hubert Roth
rparson at rintintin.colorado.edu                                   Robert Parson
rsquires at carina.unm.edu                                        Roger M Squires
rte at anchor.att.com                                               Ralph Edwards
sallylb at netcom.com                                                 Sally Smith
sandee at quake.think.com                                             Daan Sandee
sarima at teradata.com                                               Stan Friesen
sburke1 at huey.csun.edu                                               Sean Burke
ScheurerAlix.Herrmann at ipn.unil.ch                       Alix Herrmann Scheurer
sharpe at nmesis.enet.dec.com                                      Richard Sharpe
sieferme at junior.mcis.washington.edu                             Eric Sieferman
slyang at phoenix.Princeton.EDU                                    Stephen L Yang
SPLUHAR at CROP.UOGUELPH.CA                                     Stephen A. Pluhar
stu at valinor.mythical.com                                          Stu Labovitz
STWRILEY at VM.TEMPLE.EDU                                                        
T80LYY1 at NIU.BITNET                                                            
terry at santafe.edu                                                             
tim at eeg.com                                                        Tim Stearns
Timo.Rinne at hut.fi                                                   Timo Rinne
tjn5e at uva.pcmail.virginia.edu                                                 
tlode at nyx.cs.du.edu                                                Trygve Lode
tracer at u.washington.edu                                        David P. Tracer
ucjtpdl at ucl.ac.uk                                                      ucjtpdl
una at minerva.cis.yale.edu                                             Una Smith
vstr18a at sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu                                    Kathleen Anderson
wrcordw at somnet.sandia.gov                                  William R. Cordwell
yadallee at galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca                     Dave Shariff Yadallee
zigmunds at vittra14.mii.lu.lv                                   Zigmunds Vainers

Voted No
ault at cs.albany.edu                                                  James Ault
crouchkp at kocrsv01.delcoelect.com                                              
dmarcher at acsu.buffalo.edu                                                     
fsspr at camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu                                  Sean P. Ryan
js at digibank.demon.co.uk                                           John Stonier
knauer at ornews.intel.com                                         Rob Knauerhase
psweeney at lehman.com                                            Patrick Sweeney
rick at bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller
rrb at neptune.iex.com                                               Dick Barbour
shane at spr.com                                                    Shane Hartman
smarry at io.org                                                     Smarasderagd

mmt at RedBrick.COM                                                 Maxime Taksar

Votes in error
herwin at cs.gmu.edu                                                  Harry Erwin
   ! No votes
   ! No votes
pat at mtl.mit.edu                                             Patricia E. Varley
   ! No votes

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