RESULT: sci.anthropology.paleo passes 164:11
Ron "Asbestos" Dippold
rdippold at qualcomm.com
Sun Jan 9 22:56:18 EST 1994
unmoderated group sci.anthropology.paleo passes 164:11
There were 164 YES votes and 11 NO votes, for a total of 175 valid
votes. There was 1 abstain and 3 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and
NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator
of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
sci.anthropology.paleo Evolution of man and other primates.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. All questions
regarding voting and procedure or reports of problems should be mailed
to Jan Isley <jan at bagend.atl.ga.us>.
Jan has had some problems on his end with getting the results out. He
sent me the raw results files and I've created this results posting.
All questions regarding the proposed new group should be mailed to
the proposer, Danny Yee <danny at orthanc.cs.su.OZ.AU>
CHARTER
sci.anthropology.paleo is for the discussion of the evolution of the
genus Homo, and more generally of the primates. Some of the topics
likely to be covered include:
* primatology (primate social interactions, comparative morphology, ape
languages, etc.)
* paleoanthropology "proper" (discussion of new fossil finds, etc.)
* the origins of human language and cognition
* the origins of distinctive human morphological features (bipedalism,
big brain, hairlessness, etc.)
* biological and genetic variation in Homo sapiens relevant to our evolution
(e.g. mitochondrial DNA studies)
* sociobiological arguments that rely on evolutionary considerations.
--
Some subjects recently debated that would find a place in
sci.anthropology.paleo:
* The "African Eve" vs multi-regionalism debate
* The Aquatic Ape
Boundaries
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Often it is easier to define something by explaining what it isn't, or
by looking at its boundaries with similar entities. An example of this
>from biology is the Biological Species Concept, where species are
defined in terms of the mechanisms separating them from other species
(Ernst Mayr, 1969b); in anthropology the nature of the boundaries
between different groups are often critical to their self-identification
(see Frederik Barth, _Ethnic Groups and Boundaries_, 1969). So in order
to explain what belongs in sci.anthropology.paleo a discussion of the
boundaries with the "neighbouring" newsgroups may help.
*** sci.bio.evolution (if created), sci.bio, bionet.molbio.evolution
Discussions particular to human or primate evolution belong in
sci.anthropology.paleo; those on general evolutionary principles and on
the specific evolutionary histories of other taxa in sci.bio.evolution.
There is some overlap in the application of general theories, methods
and models of evolutionary biology to the primates in particular. There
are also significant overlaps with sci.bio and bionet.molbio, and some
crossposting is expected there.
Some sample questions that would make appropriate crossposts are:
* Is there evidence for punctuated equilibrium in human evolution?
(sci.bio.evolution)
* What are the physiological features of aquatic mammals that are shared
by man? (sci.bio)
* How does the latest work on molecular clocks tie in with the dating of
the Pan/Homo split? (bionet.molbio.evolution)
*** sci.anthropology (with acknowledgements to Cameron Laird)
In general anything which refers directly to human evolution
should be posted to sci.anthropology.paleo. Some examples of
questions which should be crossposted are:
* What material constraints (water, temperature, energy, protein, ...)
limit traditional human cultures which exploit savannahs? Should we
expect the same to be true of australopithecines?
* Where can I find the best contemporary data which might speak to
multi-regional origins of our species? Has anyone updated [Smith 1991]
on continuities in jaw anatomy between neanderthals and modern
Europeans?
* The sizes of viable cultural communities recorded in HRAF seem to
bottom out around several hundred. Paleo-anthropologists most often
talk about bands of at most two dozen hominids. When did our ancestors
start identifying with larger groups?
*** talk.origins
Discussion of religious issues belongs in talk.origins; it is not
appropriate for sci.anthropology.paleo. It is envisaged that there will
be few crossposts between the two groups, and those that do occur will
narrow followups to one of the groups. Appropriate material for a
crosspost might be a request for information on a scientific aspect of
human evolution that happens to be important in the context of a debate
in talk.origins.
*** sci.lang, alt.memetics
Discussion of non-biological (linguistic or cultural) evolution is not
within the sci.anthropology.paleo charter. Discussion of the relevance
of ape language experiments to understanding of the origins of human
language could appropriately be cross-posted between sci.lang and
sci.anthropology.paleo.
*** sci.cognitive
Discussion of the origins of human cognitive abilities might be
appropriately crossposted to sci.cognitive and sci.anthropology.paleo.
An example would be the invocation of evolutionary arguments in
_Consciousness Explained_ (Dennett 1991).
*** alt.alien.visitors, sci.skeptic
Claims of extraterrestrial involvement in human origins belong in these
groups.
--
Please note, however, that the above are only guidelines. Posters should
use their own discretion, but they are encouraged to think about both the
Newsgroups: and Followups-To: lines of their posts. I can't imagine a
sensible crosspost to sci.anthropology.paleo and comp.os.research, but I
wouldn't want to rule out the possibility a priori.
unmoderated group sci.anthropology.paleo Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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030ROBB at witsvma.wits.ac.za Robert Brooks
3SS63 at QUCDN.QueensU.CA Steve Sansom
aajri at marlin.jcu.edu.au James Innes
adamsd at CERF.NET Douglas Adams
ahouse at hydra.rose.brandeis.edu Jeremy Creighton Ahouse
alr2 at midway.uchicago.edu John Alroy
ALVARD at dickinson.edu Michael Alvard
Ant at equinox.gen.nz Ant
an_rrs at selway.umt.edu Randy Skelton
baffico at mv.us.adobe.com Tom Baffico
bdmartin at uafhp.uark.edu Bobby Martin
bds at ipp-garching.mpg.de Bruce d. Scott
benjamin.franz at m.cc.utah.edu Benjamin Franz
benke at sfu.ca
bestc at ucs.orst.edu Curtis Best
BOAZ at gwuvm.gwu.edu Noel T. Boaz
boothc at kenyon.edu Carter Booth
bromage at mdw011.cc.monash.edu.au David Bromage
bud at mtek.com Bud Hovell
buglady at bronze.lcs.mit.edu Aliza R. Panitz
C741SCB at SEMOVM.SEMO.EDU Allen Gathman
camilla at netcom.com Camilla Cracchiolo
carlson at tamvm1.tamu.edu David L. Carlson
CAVDBERG at tuvira.ciagri.usp.br Cassio van den Berg
chan at lake.scar.utoronto.ca Leslie Chan
chaos at concorde.com I. Iguanama
CHOPLIN at UNIV-TOURS.FR Herve Choplin
chris at eso.mc.xerox.com Chris Heiny
chuahl at cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak Lien
CKMOTORKA at pimacc.pima.edu CHILE GURU
claird at sugar.NeoSoft.COM Cameron Laird
CLANCEY at SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Patrick Clancey
cnedin at geology.adelaide.edu.au Chris Nedin
colby at biology.bu.edu Chris Colby
cs5121 at ccub.wlv.ac.uk J.A.Dennison
dalfes at TRBOUN.BITNET Nuzhet DALFES
danny at orthanc.cs.su.oz.au Danny Yee
davidsen at tmr.com Bill Davidsen
DBerline at forestek.csir.co.za Derek Berliner
delancey at darkwing.uoregon.edu Scott C DeLancey
dhouston at moose.uvm.edu David Houston
djp at santafe.edu David Padwa
dmurphy at cwa.COM Dan Murphy
dolber at cs.duke.edu Paul C. Dolber
dominiq at rice.cor2.epa.gov Dominique Bachelet
donovan at bnr.ca Marc M. Donovan
drayer at minerva.cis.yale.edu Rebecca Drayer
duston at antares.nosc.mil Brian Duston
engwall at zorro.cecer.army.mil Evan Engwall
erika at informix.com erika
fearghas at challis.demon.co.uk Fearghas McKay
federhen at wisp.nlm.nih.gov Scott Federhen
finleyd at ukelele.GCR.COM David Finley
fisher at ivy.dt.navy.mil Steven Fisher
FJH30276 at UDELVM.BITNET Karen Rosenberg
franklig at GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
frederil at qus102.qld.npb.telecom.com.au Laust Frederiksen
g8713026 at mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca Anouk Behara
Geoff.Arnold at East.Sun.COM Geoff Arnold
geoffm at cogs.susx.ac.uk Geoffrey Miller
geroldf at sdd.hp.com Gerold Firl
gil at cc.gatech.edu Gil Neiger
GRPOOL at UNB.CA Gail R. Pool
HARVEY at INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU James Harvey
heck at theo2.physik.uni-stuttgart.de
heilmayr at math.berkeley.edu Stephan Heilmayr
henrik at biology.ucsc.edu Kibak
hirai at cc.swarthmore.edu Eiji Hirai
hjd at maties.sun.ac.za H J Deacon
huston at access.digex.net Herb Huston
I3150101 at DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE Benedikt Rosenau
IAWJLEC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Leslie Carlin
igor at frege.mrg.dist.unige.it Igor Zamberlan
J5J at PSUVM.PSU.EDU John A. Johnson
jamison at merle.acns.nwu.edu
JAMQC at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU JAMES A. MOORE
jbieley at eti.bio.uva.nl
jcardozo at conicit.ve Jesus Cardozo (FUNVENA)
jchokey at leland.Stanford.EDU James Alexander Chokey
jdavis at comtch.iea.com Joel Davis
JEJOHNS at erenj.com Jack Johnston
jenike at anthro.sscnet.ucla.edu Mark Jenike
jesup at cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com Randell Jesup
jgift at netcom.com Jonathan Gift
jimj at eecs.umich.edu Jim Jewett
jjh00 at eng.amdahl.com Joel Hanes
jmulick at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu James A Mulick
jonivar at festival.edinburgh.ac.uk
jperry at mercury.forestry.Umn.EDU Jim Perry
jshreeve at cap.gwu.edu James Shreeve
jsp2 at ukc.ac.uk
jwjhix at cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk John Hicks
kantner at alishaw.ucsb.edu John Kantner
keck at zookeeper.zoo.uga.edu Paul Keck
kenc at fenris.com Ken Corbin
KGA at UNCMVS.OIT.UNC.EDU Kermyt G Anderson
KONTARAKI at nefeli.cc.uch.gr
KUCHTA at GAMMA.IS.TCU.EDU Tim Kuchta
kuserk at moravian.edu Frank Kuserk
L15D at ZFN.uni-bremen.de Martin Schr\"oder
lachlan at dmp.csiro.au Lachlan Cranswick
ldaly at acs.bu.edu Liza Daly
leh1 at Lehigh.EDU Lynn E. Hanninen
lenore at cs.duke.edu Lenore Ramm
litherland-o at nova.novanet.org
LMILES at UTCVM.UTC.EDU Lyn Miles
lofstrom at uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu Karen Lofstrom
lonadar at judy.indstate.edu Victor E Aldridge III
lrf6as at leeds.ac.uk A Staines
lsj at uki.hj.se Sverker Johansson
lwiig at bishop.bishop.hawaii.org Linda Wiig
lyndae at orca.fhcrc.org Lynda Marie Emel
mar at physics.su.OZ.AU David Mar
martin at orca.tamu.edu Kimberly Martin
mazzarel at math.berkeley.edu Ariel Mazzarelli
MBAUSER at KENTVM.KENT.EDU Michael Bauser
mcdonald at bsm.biochemistry.ucl.ac.uk Ian McDonald
mdiffin at mrc-crc.ac.uk Dr. M.C. Diffin
mhinkes at natick-emh1.army.mil Madeleine Hinkes
milton at bruny.cc.utas.edu.au Simon K. Milton
MROPER31 at MAINE.maine.edu Marilyn Roper
mrwarden at phoenix.Princeton.EDU Melissa Rhoads Warden
neilb at physics.su.OZ.AU Amfortas
neslu at coyote.rain.org William Paulsen
nicholas.breen at travel.com Nicholas Breen
park at unixg.ubc.ca Robert Park
pdc at dcs.ed.ac.uk Paul Crowley
PESOLE at PLAUTO.CSATA.IT GRAZIANO PESOLE
pickens at onyx.dseg.ti.com Rod Picks
PJC at waikato.ac.nz Peter Charlton
pound at ruf.rice.edu Christopher Brian Pound
quinn at phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael Quinn
R.BOOT at cc.uq.edu.au Robert Boot
revu at midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil Revuluri
rhoenes at picasso.ocis.temple.edu Richard Hoenes
robinson at ltpsun.gsfc.nasa.gov Jon Robinson
roth at mendel.grenet.fr Hubert Roth
rparson at rintintin.colorado.edu Robert Parson
rsquires at carina.unm.edu Roger M Squires
rte at anchor.att.com Ralph Edwards
sallylb at netcom.com Sally Smith
sandee at quake.think.com Daan Sandee
sarima at teradata.com Stan Friesen
sburke1 at huey.csun.edu Sean Burke
ScheurerAlix.Herrmann at ipn.unil.ch Alix Herrmann Scheurer
sharpe at nmesis.enet.dec.com Richard Sharpe
sieferme at junior.mcis.washington.edu Eric Sieferman
slyang at phoenix.Princeton.EDU Stephen L Yang
SPLUHAR at CROP.UOGUELPH.CA Stephen A. Pluhar
stu at valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
STWRILEY at VM.TEMPLE.EDU
T80LYY1 at NIU.BITNET
terry at santafe.edu
tim at eeg.com Tim Stearns
Timo.Rinne at hut.fi Timo Rinne
tjn5e at uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
tlode at nyx.cs.du.edu Trygve Lode
tracer at u.washington.edu David P. Tracer
ucjtpdl at ucl.ac.uk ucjtpdl
una at minerva.cis.yale.edu Una Smith
vstr18a at sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Kathleen Anderson
wrcordw at somnet.sandia.gov William R. Cordwell
yadallee at galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
zigmunds at vittra14.mii.lu.lv Zigmunds Vainers
Voted No
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ault at cs.albany.edu James Ault
crouchkp at kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
dmarcher at acsu.buffalo.edu
fsspr at camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
js at digibank.demon.co.uk John Stonier
knauer at ornews.intel.com Rob Knauerhase
psweeney at lehman.com Patrick Sweeney
rick at bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rrb at neptune.iex.com Dick Barbour
shane at spr.com Shane Hartman
smarry at io.org Smarasderagd
Abstained
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mmt at RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar
Votes in error
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herwin at cs.gmu.edu Harry Erwin
! No votes
MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU!COUTAVAS
! No votes
pat at mtl.mit.edu Patricia E. Varley
! No votes
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