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All physicists aren't alike! (Formerly: Query on Dendritic Networks)

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>Subject: All physicists aren't alike!  (Formerly: Query on Dendritic Networks)
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>    Dear neuronetters, not all physicists are alike! 
>    Here physicists as myself, usually having also several additional 
>degrees as MD or others ScD or PhD, do stain our hands (often from 
>feet to the last hair, indeed) since 1899 on. We often also hate 
>mathematicians :-) as perverters of modern physics, and labour for a 
>contemporaneous physics recognizing and implementing the 
>physicalness of one-witness facts!  We work too on industrial 
>problems that the U.S. NSF (on criteria that we deride as 
>preposterous) does not even dare to envisage, to not offend its 
>societal prefigurations. However we deeply share the mailed concerns 
>about physicists and engineers. I remember: some a quarter of 
>century ago, my foregoer as Director received an unforeseen visit.  
>This was a clean engineer that made himself locally known as expert 
>on brain science or some like thing, and who by politics attained 
>having been designed as new director. He introduced himself, and made my 
>foregoer, Prof. Diego Luis Outes, to learn of his politic replacement. 
>Prof.Outes gave him an scalpel and phlegmatically rebutted: "Yes? 
>Oh, well. In the next room you have four corpses and the animals of 
>today. You can begin immediately!"   And accompanied the clean 
>engineer to the morgue inducing him to extract the brains, to whose 
>purpose Prof. Outes overkindly continued furnishing him with new 
>instruments to embitter the engineer's awe.
>    I lack words to portray the sudden changements in the face of the 
>mathematically  brain expert, but no one here shall never forget his 
>desperate flight downstairs and through the park. He never returned. 
>Nor talked of neuroscience again.
>    I think that the mailed expressions are fair, but only referred to 
>the physicists of the Pythagoric-Parmenidean tradition. This not seldom
>is shared also by neuroscientists but, as many netters know, we are 
>hylozoist.  Let me quote myself from a paper that I find proper to the 
>point - and perhaps you can find spirited:
> 	      "Iron-branded, interim, by an all-penetrating naturalist-
>humanist transdisciplinarity peculiarly understood not as a 
>juxtaposition of specialists but in the sense cultivated, say, by Weber, 
>Fechner and von Helmholtz, the so called Argentine-German 
>Neurobiological School, incepted since 1879 though fully fledged only 
>since 1899, struck roots in momentous electroneurobiological 
>experiments; i. e., in the much-needed, worldwide-first 
>electrostimulation mapping of an exposed, conscious human brain 
>heroically prolonged during eight months (from September 1883 to 
>May 1884) against overwhelming odds that risked the subject's death 
>and the experimenter's loss of career and marriage, and silenced 
>over a century by a plagiarist.  Here, contrarily to the aforesaid 
>obloquious conviction, some of us (initially the physicists), in the past 
>thirty years reacted against those adventitious limiting features.  To do 
>it, these physicists were at once uncompelled, perhaps mostly by dint 
>of our very remoteness  -neither behaviourism nor neuronism 
>thundered here, nor emergentistic complexity theories, nor outlooks 
>glad to forgo natural facts by self-limiting to analyze formulations-,  
>while also stimulated by certain explosive internal conceptual tension 
>regarding time.  This conceptual tension was bequeathed by one of 
>the tradition's founders, harbinger and chief mentor, the 
>neurobiologist devoted since 1906 to model neuropilar 
>psychogenesis on gestalt reverberating interference patterns Prof. Dr. 
>Christfried Jakob (1866-1956).  Withstanding chiefly these 
>adventitious features' prescriptions to prefigure acceptable findings, 
>especially that the dimensions for variation of one-witness natural 
>realities ought to be the very same as if their diversity and changes 
>were simple differences and variations in the astronomical- or 
>workroom-space distribution and aggregation of tangible masses 
>following traceable trajectories, they recognized that a more 
>efficacious enunciation horizon ought to enhance the present-day 
>mathematizable biophysics, and developed a new concept of the 
>brain organ out of the intersection of some eighty important advances.
>	   That crucial defect in the kinetized modern physics was, and 
>is, specially conspicuous for physicists working in mental health, as in 
>this remote tradition, hitherto prevalently confined to regional bounds. 
>Besides their having to wonder professionally for the processes of 
>psychogenesis (and of its disfunctions) from their special standpoint 
>as physicists, as a part of their daily tasks in brain biophysics or 
>physicochemistry different from the duties physicists fulfill in other 
>subfields of our science, further singular facts exist, moreover, proper 
>of this parochial jurisdiction of mental health but seldom contemplated
>abroad, often discussed at our local daigaku kiyoo (working papers).
>	   These peculiar facts plainly signal to them, and insistently 
>remark, what in other subfields of physics the syncretic myth far more 
>effectively disguises, without encounter therein any apt disagreement.  
>Among these facts peculiar of mental health concerns, let us signal a 
>clarifying clinical condition (of neuropathologic, criminologic and 
>psychiatric import; when congenital, oft associated with certain 
>genetic endowment that exaggerates exploratory behaviour in animals 
>and a Heideggerian "sensation-" or "novelty-avidity" in humans) found 
>in some psychopaths, whom the German neuropsychiatry designates 
>as having a "chilly soul".  These very cold psychopathic personalities, 
>capable of the most hideous tortures and vicious manslaughters, 
>often suffer in their brain from a particular disjoining which sunders 
>certain temporal-lobe and supraorbitary parts (more accurately: a 
>fronto-supraorbitary and temporo-hippocampal disconnection. Cursorily
>we also shall look in below on milder forms of this condition, 
>as regards to some cultural traditions that selectively promote 
>puritanic humour and rigourous personalities, specifying at that point 
>the pertinent references). Let us point out here how the unforeseen 
>acquaintance with such patients faces these physicists, active on 
>basic research in mental hygiene, with that unfittingness of our 
>physical science, so often unobtrusive elsewhere.  Said psychopaths, 
>usually because of their severance or misshape of some brain circuits 
>(the uncinate fascicle, or other) fail in their empathy. Some of them 
>seem to believe that they are, indeed, persons while the remaining 
>people, in their opinion, no.  For a moment one can try to imagine this 
>outrageous failure in empathy, by fancying in a flash to be the unique, 
>sole and lonely person in the Universe while on the contrary every 
>remaining people walking around form part of a fellowship of robots: a 
>population of deambulating neural networks, wandering lexicons or 
>nomadic statues. Amid such particulars, torture becomes 
>understandable as a mean to excruciate a communication extremely 
>yearned for, as i.e., told to our researchers by R.-P., an inmate known 
>as "the murderer of the Panamerican Road" who, to exact any 
>rejoinder evincing him that he indeed was not alone, among other 
>epistemologically inelegant resources put a soldering iron to work on 
>the face of such (firmly laced) "statues" while furiously inquiring them 
>if they did "feel something". In such a bizarre neighborhood, frankly 
>uncustomary for most other physicists, those physicists working in 
>mental health cannot but remark the coincidence of these "cool of 
>soul" psychopaths, reputing people to be perambulating neural 
>networkings, with those neuroscientists also trying to depict their -and 
>our-  brains as insentient neural nets in shocking outcome of their 
>exogenist physics.
>	  How to reproach the insane, but not the erudite, just for the 
>same neglect?" 
>(Quoted from: "Physical assessment of the added interactions 
>among non-distributed references 
>of distributed reverberations in the brain gray", M.F. Crocco ,
>Electroneurobiologia 1 (5), 94-162,  Nov. 1994)  

       Prof. M.F. Crocco,
       <postmaster at neubio.sld.ar> 
       Director, Centro de Investig. Neurobiologicas, Ministry of
Health & Welfare, Argentine Republic; and 
       Head, Lab. of Electroneurobiological Res., 
Hospital "Dr. Jose Tiburcio Borda", Municipality of Buenos Aires,
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