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proof against free will

Sir Knowitall for.spam.reasons.peel.away.until.only.fellin.remains at one.net.au
Thu Apr 15 21:01:36 EST 1999

By this post I am inclined to regard you, Ralf Habel, as philosophically
sane and sober.

One ultimate philosophically conceptualised point of view (that I seemingly
like to state) is that we are What Is in_ (a human, including a particularly
complex brain) _formation.

The trick is how to become able to powerfully analyse and understand also
those aspects of What Is going on that are not only of core human relevance
but that also are by their nature repulsive (IOW factors that "stink" and
insights that we instinctively are likely NOT to gain).

Peter Fellin


Ralf Habel <phy24605 at studbox.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.4.03.9904151800320.1319-100000 at poirot.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de
> On 15 Apr 1999, TinyWanda wrote:
> > it's always seemed to me that either the brain, which has SOMETHING to
do with
> > creating the Mind...and even if the Brain is only a focal point, or
> > to another dimensional reality...
> > STILL...
> > All that does something which creates the mind, and either:
> > a) it operates according to a set of rules, and obeys the fundimental
> > of cause & effect...
> > or
> > b) it doesn't.
> I have real hard discussions with my brother about that topic.
> As a scientist, I see the brain as a very, very complex structure, so
> complex that it can produce something like a conciousness.....
> ...if you see the brain as a container for nearly infinite data(experience
> in any form), the essence of councioussness, free will and so on is the
> information.
> (My brother means the complete opposite, by the way...)
> > if it does, then that's not freewill, the mechanics of the process
create our
> > thoughts and choices.
> That is what I mean, we are acting only on our information gathered from
> the world and on our genes(drives for example, but they are just another
> form of information)
> > and if it does not, then the randomality of the process would not
indicate that
> > we have freewill either.
> > BUT--we do seem to be AWARE of what is going on.
> Thats what I am trying to find out, is it REALLY free will if I want to go
> to America for example or is it just a consequence of all my experience,
> my couriosity-drive and so on.....
> > i'm very much afraid that we live in a Very Cruel Universe in which we
> > Allowed to be Aware that we are Robots.
> > either that...
> > or--the world/universe/our-reality is very very different from the way
that we
> > percieve it.
> If you watch quantum mechanics, its seems that nothing is even the
> slightes way than your everyday experience shows....
> Ralf Habel
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