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John Knight jwknight at polbox.com
Wed Oct 9 10:45:18 EST 2002


Well said, Richard!

This is PROOF that "liberals" and jews could NOT care less if Christians
were killed during WWII, because to them, the ONLY crime would have been if
even ONE jew died.

They're SICK, SICK people who don't deserve one cent from this Christian
nation.

John Knight

"Richard August" <raugust at ptd.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab at lojban.org> wrote in message
> news:p1tmpukb5ar1hgqoetph19kon81rbh5p3h at 4ax.com...
> > "John Knight" <jwknight at polbox.com> wrote:
> > >> What do you mean by "disprove"?  Can someone disprove that the World
> > >> Almanac had certain numbers in it?  No, because the numbers were in
> > >> the Almanac.  But Almanacs are not primary sources - they get their
> > >> numbers from other sources.
> > >
> > >And if those other sources were FLAWED, then what reason do you have to
> > >believe their MODIFIED figures?
> >
> > There are multiple independent sources used to determine the number of
> > Holocaust deaths:
> >
> > http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Hitler
> >
>
>
> OK, Bob, let's look at that webpage and see who is lying about what
> regarding the holocaust.  I republish it in its entirety here.
>
> Second World War (1937-45)
> Total:
> It's the most intensively studied event of the 20th Century, so the margin
> of error is not quite a wide here as for most of the other wars and
> oppressions on this page. Most historians agree that the death toll was
> about 50 million (including wartime atrocities). If you don't believe me,
> here's just a sampling of the books I have on hand:
> Haywood: Atlas of World History (1997): 50M
> Keegan, J., The Second World War (1989): 50M
> Messenger, The Chronological Atlas of World War Two (1989): 50M
> The Times Concise Atlas of World History (1988): 50M
> Urlanis: 50M
> Soldiers: 22.0M
> Civilians
> In camps, from Fascist terror: 12.0M
> From hostilites, blockade, epidemics, hunger: 14.5M
> From bombing: 1.5M
> Dictionary of Military History (1994): 41M
> Wallechinsky: 40-55M
> Kinder, The Anchor Atlas of World History (1978): 55M
> Hammond: 55M
> Sivard, Ruth Leger, World Military and Social Expenditures 1986 (11th
ed.):
> 38,351,000 (1939-45), not incl. 1.8M in Sino-Japanese War (1937-41)
> Brzezinski:
> Military: 19M
> Civilians, "actual byproduct of hostilities": 20M
> Civilians, Sino-Japanese War: 15M
> Hitler's murders: 17M
> TOTAL: 71M
> Rummel:
> European War Dead (1939-45): 28,736,000
> Sino-Japanese War Dead (1937-45): 7,140,000
> War-related Democides
> Hitler: 20,946,000
> Stalin: 13,053,000
> Japanese: 5,964,000
> Chinese Nationalist: 5,907,000
> Allied Bombing: 796,000
> Croatian: 655,000
> Tito: 600,000
> Romanian domestic democide: 484,000
> Chinese Communist: 250,000
> Hungarian democide in Yugoslavia: 78,000
> [TOTAL: 48,733,000]
> [TOTAL (1937-45): 84,609,000]
> AVERAGE
> The MEDIAN of these estimates is 50M.
> If we add up the country-by-country medians we get:
> LEVEL 1: 47.35M
> USSR: 20.0M
> China: 10.45M
> Poland: 5.8M
> Germany: 5.5M
> India: 2.15M
> Japan: 1.9M
> Yugoslavia: 1.55M
> LEVEL 2: ca. 3.8M
> LEVEL 3: ca. 0.25M
> TOTAL: 51.4M
> Who to Blame:
> Most history books break their WW2 numbers down according to whether the
> dead are military or civilian and which country they came from. Since I've
> done that elsewhere, let's try to break it down by guilt. Here are various
> estimates by various experts of the number of superfluous, non-military
> deaths during the Second World War.
> Hitler:
> Extermination of the Jews:
> Reitlinger, Gerald, The Final Solution (1953): between 4,194,200 and
> 4,851,200 (this number is accepted by Kinder, The Anchor Atlas of World
> History (1978))
> Brzezinski: 5,000,000
> Chirot: 5,100,000
> 3,000,000 in death camps.
> 1,300,000 massacred.
> 800,000 by dis./maln. in ghettos
> Rummel: 5,291,000
> Grenville: 5-6M
> Davies, Europe A History (1998): 5,571,300 (puts the minimum at 4,871,000
> and the maximum at 6,271,500.)
> MEDIAN: ca. 5.6M
> Nuremberg indictment: 5,700,000 (accepted by Britannica)
> Gutman, Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1990): 5,596,029 to 5,860,129
> P. Johnson: 5,800,000
> Wallechinsky: "nearly" 6,000,000
> Urlanis: 6M
> Soviet Prisoners of War killed:
> Urlanis: 3,912,000
> 12 March 1995 Times-Picayune: nearly 3.5M
> Our Times: 3,300,000
> Rummel: 3,100,000
> MEDIAN: 3.0-3.1M
> Mazower, Dark Continent: 3M
> Harper Collins Atlas of the Second World War: 3,000,000
> Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1960): 2,000,000 dead and
> 1,000,000 never accounted for, presumed dead.
> Britannica: 2,600,000
> Roma (Gypsies):
> Hammond: 250,000.
> Rummel: 258,000.
> Mazower, Dark Continent: 200,000-500,000.
> Porter: 500,000
> Brzezinski: 800,000
> Ian Hancock, "Responses to the Romani Holocaust" in Is the Holocaust
Unique?
> (A. Rosenbaum, ed.) cites these:
> US Holocaust Memorial Museum: 250,000
> "several published estimates": >1,000,000
> Pauwels and Bergier: 750,000
> Financial Times (London): 500-750,000 in death camps and another million
> shot outside.
> Homosexuals:
> Chirot: 10-15,000
> Rummel: 220,000
> Euthanasia of Handicapped:
> Hugh G. Gallagher: 275,000, citing Breggin (in Century of Genocide, Samuel
> Totten, ed., (1997))
> Victims of Wehrmacht:
> Acc2 historical exhibit curated by Hannes Heer: The common soldiers of the
> Wehrmacht murdered 1.5M Jews, 3.3M POWs + 5-7M non-Jewish civilians (17
May
> 1995 Agence France Presse; 22 Feb. 1997 AP)
> General political prisoners:
> Mark Mazower, Dark Continent: Europe's Twentieth Century (1998): over one
> million died in concentration camps, not counting those deliberately
> targeted for extermination.
> Rosenburg, The Haunted Land: 26,000 political death sentences passed by
> German courts.
> HITLER TOTAL:
> Courtois: 25,000,000
> Rummel: 20,946,000 democides
> Brzezinski: 17,000,000
> Urlanis: 15-16,000,000 (11-12M civilians + 3.9M POWs)
> Our Times: 13,000,000 (6M Jews + 7M others)
> Compton's: 12,000,000
> Grenville: 10,000,000, including 2M children.
> NOTE: These numbers only include outright murders, but keep in mind that
> some 18M civilians and 17M soldiers died in the European War. That's
> 35,000,000 deaths which can probably be blamed on Hitler to one extent or
> another.
> Stalin:
> Everyone acknowledges that Stalin deported many million members of
suspected
> nationalities to Siberia during and immediately after the war. The biggest
> variable is how many of these died.
> Harff and Gurr:
> Chechens, Ingushi, Karachai, Balkars, Kalmyks: 230,000 d. (1943-57)
> Meskhierians, Crimean Tatars: 57,000 - 175,000 d. (1944-68)
> Davies: 1,000,000 Volga Germans, Chechens, Ingush, Crimean Tatars, etc.
> Axis POWs never returned:
> Brzezinski: 1,000,000 total (incl. 357,000 Germans, 140,000 Poles)
> Davies: 1,000,000
> Katyn Massacre:
> Dictionary of 20C World History: 14,000 Polish officers systematically
> killed. 4,500 bodies discovered by Germans.
> 30 July 2000 Sunday Telegraph [London]: 15,000 k.
> Paul Johnson: 15,000 -- a third at Katyn, the rest in Sov. conc. camps.
> Returning Soviet POWs killed after the war:
> Harff and Gurr: 500,000 - 1,100,000 repatriated Soviet nationals killed
> (1943-47)
> Harper Collins: 1,000,000 POWs
> Davies: 5-6M deaths, screening of repatriates and inhabitants of
ex-occupied
> territory
> Total killed by Stalin during the war years:
> Davies: 16-17,000,000 non-war-dead
> Rummel: 18,157,000 democides
> Although the number of civilian deaths in the Soviet Union during the war
is
> far from certain, the estimate of 7 million has gained wide acceptance,
and
> it is repeated by Keegan, Hammond, Anchor, Encarta and Britannica. Since
> many of these deaths would have been caused by Nazi brutality or the
simple
> bad luck of war, as well Stalinist repression, it seems exceedingly
> difficult to reconcile a total of 7 million civilian deaths with estimates
> of 16-19 million deaths from Stalinist brutality during the war years.
> Some recent demographic studies suggest that 26-27 million Soviet citizens
> disappeared during WW2 (Davies), but this number has not been widely
> accepted by mainstream historians.
> My Estimate: Very roughly, I'd say that Stalin murdered 1M enemy POWs, 1M
of
> his own soldiers, and some 2-4M Soviet civilians during the War. These
> numbers are consistant with Conquest's estimate of 10M killed by Stalin,
> 1939 to 1953, and they easily fit into the 7M civilian deaths, leaving
room
> for 1M Jews and several million others to be killed by the Nazis.
> Japanese:
> Nanking Massacre, 1937-38:
> Iris Chang, The Rape of Nanking (1997) cites these:
> Liu Fang-chu: 430,000
> James Yin & Shi Young: 400,000
> Sun Zhaiwei: 377,400 corpses disposed of
> Wu Tien-wei: 340,000
> District Court of Nanking: 300,000
> International Military Tribunal of the Far East: 260,000
> Fujiwara Akira: 200,000
> John Rabe: 50- 60,000
> Hata Ikuhiko: 38- 42,000
> Spence, The Search for Modern China: 42,000.
> Dict.Wars: 200,000
> Rummel: 200,000
> P. Johnson: 200-300,000
> Burma-Siam Railroad, worker deaths (1941-43)
> Johnson: 16,000 POWs
> Our Times: 50,000 Burmese civilians and 16,000 Allied POWs
> Grenville: 100,000 Asians and 16,000 Europeans
> East Timor: 70,000 died under Japanese occupation (James Dunn, in Century
of
> Genocide, Samuel Totten, ed., (1997))
> Singapore: 5,000 Chinese massacred (Grenville)
> Rummel blames the Japanese for 5,964,000 democides
> POWs: 539,000 (400,000 Chinese)
> Forced Labor: 1,010,000 (142,000 Chinese)
> Massacres: 3,608,000 (2,850,000 Chinese)
> Bombing/CB warfare: 558,000 (all Chinese)
> Imposed Famine: 250,000 (none in China)
> Rummel also estimates that General/Prime Minister Tojo Hideki was
> responsible for a lifetime total of 3,990,000 democides.
> My estimate is that 11M civilians and 4.5M soldiers died in the
> Asian/Pacific War. That's 15,500,000 deaths which can probably be blamed
on
> the Japanese to one extent or another.
> Anglo-American Allies:
> Bombing of Germany: 400,000 (Hammond); 410,000 (Rummel, 100% democidal);
> 593,000 (Keegan; also Grenville citing "official Germany"); 600,000 (P.
> Johnson)
> Bombing of Japan:
> Conventional: 260,000 (Keegan, P. Johnson)
> Nuclear: 103,000 died outright (Keegan); 130,000 outright
> (Messenger);120,000 outright, 140,000 later (Our Times); 175,000 outright,
> 100,000 later (P. Johnson)
> Total: 363,000 (Keegan, not including post-war radiation sickness);
374,000
> (Rummel, incl. 337,000 democidal); 435,000 (P. Johnson); 500,000 (Harper
> Collins Atlas of the Second World War)
> Bombing of Romania & Hungary: 50,000 (Rummel)
> Mistreatment of Axis POWs [I myself don't find these accusations credible,
> but FWIW, here they are.]
> James Bacque, Other Losses (1989) made the first accusation that Americans
> deliberately starved German POWs, killing about a million.
> Bacque [http://www.corax.org/revisionism/misc/970920bacques.html]
> Bacque's 2nd book, Crimes & Mercies, expands the body count to 9.3-13.7M
> Germans killed by the Allies after the end of the war, incl. some 2.1-6.0M
> civilians who died being expelled from the East.
> [http://codoh.com/review/revcrimes.html]
> Stephen Ambrose dismisses these claims as sloppy research. He explains
that
> the total number of German POWs who died from all causes in US hands was
> 56,000 out of some 5M held. [see also
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bacque.james/]
> Mussolini (r. 1922-1943)
> Mark Mazower, Dark Continent: Europe's Twentieth Century (1998): total of
29
> death sentences passed on political prisoners before 1939.
> Rummel, democides by Fascist govt. of Italy:
> Ethiopia and Libya: 200,000 [before WW2]
> Yugoslavia: 15,000
> Greeks: 9,000
> Italians, domestically: 250
> TOTAL: 224,250
> Yugoslavia:
> 2 March 1999 Agence France Presse
> Number killed in Croatian-run death camp at Jasenovac
> Acc2 Croatian press: 85,000
> Official Yugoslav estimate: 700,000
> Simon Wiesenthal Centre: 500,000
> Alex Dragnic, Serbs & Croats (1992)
> k. by Ustase
> Serbs: est. range 300,000 to 1,000,000, but 500-700,000 is "generally
> accepted"
> Jews: 50,000
> Gypsies: 20,000
> Massacre by Germans, Oct. 1941: 4-7,000
> John Lampe, Yugoslavia as History (1995)
> 300,000 Serbs k. by Ustasha
> 26,000 Jews k. by Ustasha
> 9,000 Slovenes executed by Italians, summer 1941
> Killed by Tito, 1945-46: 100,000
> Noel Malcolm, Bosnia: a Short History (1994)
> Muslims k. by Chetniks in Foca-Cajnice:
> Aug. 1942: 2,000
> Feb. 1943: 9,000
> Killed by Tito, 1945-46: 250,000 in shootings, camps and marches.
> Mazower, Dark Continent
> Serbs k. by Ustase: at least 334,000.
> Collaborators k. by Tito, postwar: up to 60,000
> 9 July 1990 NY Times
> Communist partisans shot 70-100,000 without trial within weeks of the
war's
> end.
> Anti-Communist emigres claim ca. 500,000 killed ("... exaggerations, said
> Darko Bekic, a historian in Zagreb...")
> "Total of 1,700,000 Yugoslavs were killed, both in combat and in
atrocities
> and reprisals by and against civilians"
> Rummel, democides by perpetrator:
> Axis occupying nations: 718,000
> Chetnik partisans: 100,000
> Communists: 100,000 as partisans, 500,000 shortly after coming to power
> Ustashi government of Croatia: 655,000
> TOTAL: 2,073,000 democides (also 555,000 battle deaths, for a grand total
of
> 2,628,000)
> Fred Singleton, Twentieth-Century Yugoslavia (1976)
> 350,000 Serbs k. by Ustasha
> Marcus Tanner, Croatia: a Nation Forged in War
> Bleiburg massacre: est. range from 30,000 to 200,000 returning POWs k. by
> Communists (The upper number being favored by Croat nationalists)
> Ustashe camps
> acc2 Communist govt: 600,000 k. in Jasenovas
> acc2 Banac 120,000 k. in all camps
> acc2 "others": 80,000 k. in all camps
> acc2 Pres. Tudjman: 60,000 k. in all camps
> Total war deaths (according to one study)
> Serbs: 487,000
> incl. 215,000 in Nazi and Ustase camps
> Croats: 207,000
> Muslims: 86,000
> Jews: 60,000
> TOTAL: 947,000
> Johan Wüscht, Population Losses in Yugoslavia during World War Two (1963),
> estimates a total population shortfall of 2,210,000 in the 1948 census.
> After accounting for emmigration (700,000) and a drop in births (423,000),
> he reckons the total number of deaths caused by the war and its aftermath
to
> be 1,100,000. He also points out that adding up all the accusations of
> atrocities commited during the war far exceeds this calculated number of
> deaths, so one of them is wrong.
> ANALYSIS: Among those events with several estimates, the medians are ...
> Serbs k. by Ustashe: 275,000
> Postwar executions (and related deaths) by Communists: 175,000
> Romania:
> Rummel: 484,000 genocides under kings Carol & Michael (1938-48) incl.
> 302,000 Jews.
> Robert Kaplan, Balkan Ghosts (1993): 185,000 Jews from Bessarabia and
> Moldovia murdered in "the only non-German-run extermination camp in
Europe".
> France:
> Collaborators killed after liberation:
> Grenville: 10,000
> Mark Mazower, Dark Continent: 9-10,000
> Our Times: 9,000 summarily, 700 after trial.
> Other Western Nations, postwar purges:
> Mark Mazower, Dark Continent
> Italy: 10,000-15,000
> Netherlands: 40 executions
> Norway: 25 executions
> Post-War Expulsion of Germans from East Europe (1945-47)
> Died being expelled from Poland:
> Rummel: 1,585,000
> Keegan, John, The Second World War (1989): 1,250,000
> Kurt Glaser and Stephan Possony, Victims of Politics (1979): 1,225,000
> Died, from Czechoslovakia:
> Rummel: 197,000
> Keegan: 250,000
> Glaser & Possony: 267,000
> TOTAL:
> Kinder, Anchor Atlas of World History: 3,000,000
> Britannica: 2,384,000 (This covers the years 1944-46, and it includes
> Germans who died fleeing while the war was still raging.)
> Glaser & Possony: 2,111,000 (This includes 619,000 from "elsewhere" not
> listed above)
> Keegan: 2,100,000 (This includes 600,000 from "elsewhere" not listed
above;
> it does not include some 1,000,000 Germans who (by Keegan's estimate) died
> fleeing while the war was still raging.)
> Rummel: 1,782,000
>
>
> First of all, the Jews can't even get their figures straight about how
many
> of their own kind died, and who's to blame for it.  Second of all,
millions
> more Christians died in WW2 than Jews did, according to YOUR listed
website.
>
> So where's your holocaust, bub?  Is it with your Bubbie at the Stone
Avenue
> Talmud Torah?  Is the Cantor howling its litany during the Days of Awe, or
> is it largely chanted as mantra during Tisha B'Av?
>
> How does it feel to taste your heel?
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Richard C. August
>
>





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