I'm more interested in when your fear started.
What drives you to find these texts and publish them here?
"Allen L. Barker" <alb at datafilter.com> wrote in message
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>>> Below I have reproduced (in ASCII) a front-page New York Times article
> from 1977 that I copied from microfiche. Many people have never seen
> a newspaper article that actually reports real, official revelations
> of mind control crimes. This was a relatively brief window in history
> when such reporting could take place, and which ended too soon for the
> bulk of the abuses to be exposed.
>> In hindsight, almost no one would *publicly* say that this information
> should have been kept secret. On the other hand, it is known that
> similar information is still being concealed, and there are very
> active covert efforts to keep it that way. Moreover, the research did
> not stop and there are similar admissions that need to be made about
> crimes occurring up until the present day, 2003. It has been over
> twenty years since the last investigations. If you do not think it is
> too late already to preserve liberty, human dignity, and free will (as
> opposed to an empty facade of such), in another twenty years it surely
> will be.
>> How can we open up a similar window and expose or force out the truth
> of past and ongoing U.S. mind control crimes? It will not be the same
> as the 70s, because those particular "loopholes" for obtaining
> information have been effectively closed -- and the times are just
> different. I recommend that everyone read Angus Mackenzie's
> posthumously published book _Secrets_ from 1997. Mackenzie describes
> how the Freedom of Information Act was seriously weakened in the 80s
> (in a secret "compromise" with the ACLU). Mackenzie also describes
> how secrecy oaths (spies required to sign away their free speech
> rights) went from being a method to keep the CIA's illegal domestic
> spying and harassment program MHCHAOS secret to finally being required
> for almost all intelligence positions. What was still left of the FOIA
> has been almost completely gutted since the 9-11 attacks.
>> Some people claim that John Marks pulled his punches. I think that is
> probably true, but Marks did do a lot of good work that few other
> people were bothering with. So generally I greatly thank Marks for
> the work he did. The only exception is when he goes on TV shows and
> says things like we should put this all behind us or we should move
> on. That is easy enough for *him* to say. What about the victims,
> still left to suffer and be ridiculed? The CIA actually promised
> Congress they would find and notify the MKULTRA victims, but it was a
> lie. It never happened:
>> MKULTRA. Most victims have never been informed by the government
> of the nature of the experiments they were subjected to or, in
> some cases, even fact that they were subjects. In a 1977 hearing,
> then CIA director Stansfield Turner said he found the experiments
> ``abhorrent'' and promised that the CIA would find and notify the
> people used in the tests. Turner last week insisted that ``they
> found everyone they possibly could find.'' But internal memos and
> depositions taken from CIA officials in a lawsuit against the agency
> in the 1980s reveal that of the hundreds of experimental subjects
> in the CIA's mind-control program, code-named MKULTRA, only 14 were
> ever notified and only one was compensated -- for $15,000.
>> They are still denying techniques that were used and in vogue 20 years
> ago. But the victims remember, those of them who figured out what was
> being done to them. And now there is a whole new batch of victims,
> for example of the non-lethal weapons craze of the 90s. The CIA's
> Inspector General is quoted in the following article, and provides a
> technology-independent name for this sort of mind control operation.
> They are "clandestine operations to control human behavior."
>> The New York Times, Thursday, July 21, 1977
> Page A1
>> C.I.A. Data Show 14-Year Project On Controlling Human Behavior
>> By Nicholas M. Horrock
> Special to The New York Times
>>> WASHINGTON, July 20 -- The Central Intelligence Agency conducted a
> 14-year program to find ways to "control human behavior" through the
> use of chemical, biological and radiological material, according to
> agency documents made public today by John Marks, a freelance
>> Mr. Marks, an associate of the Center for National Security Studies,
> asserted at a news conference that Adm. Stansfield Turner, Director of
> Central Intelligence, in a letter to the Senate Select Committee on
> Intelligence last week, "seriously distorted" what the C.I.A. research
> programs involved.
>> Mr. Marks said that, based on documents about the program he had
> received under the Freedom of Information Act, he had concluded that
> Admiral Turner "seems to be practicing what used to be called 'a
> modified limited hangout'" when he called the agency's activity "a
> program of experimentation with drugs."
>> "To be sure, drugs were part of it," he said, "but so were such other
> techniques as electric shock, radiation, ultrasonics, psychosurgery,
> psychology, and incapacitating agents, all of which were referred to
> in documents I have received."
>> The documents made public today and the disclosure by the C.I.A. last
> week that it had found another cache of previously undiscovered
> records suggested broader experimentation on unwitting humans by the
> intelligence agency or its paid researchers than had been publicly
> known before. Mr. Marks said he had obtained or read about 1,000
> C.I.A. documents, many of which were never turned over to the Senate
> intelligence committee for its 1975 investigation of agency
>> C.I.A. spokesmen declined comment on Mr. Marks's charges. However,
> Admiral Turner told newsmen after leaving a meeting with senators that
> the agency was moving swiftly to review the documents it had found.
>> Mr. Marks distributed 20 documents that described the following
> incidents, among others:
>> * In 1956, the C.I.A. contracted with a private physician to test
> "bulbocapnine," a drug that can cause stupor or induce a catatonic
> state, on monkeys and "convicts incarcerated at" an unnamed state
> penitentiary. The agency wanted to known [sic] if the drug caused the
> "loss of speech in man," "loss of sensitivity to pain -- loss of
> memory, loss of will power."
>> * A letter from an unnamed C.I.A. official in 1949 discussed ways of
> killing people without leaving a trace. "I believe that there are two
> chemical substances which would be most useful in that they would
> leave no characteristic pathological findings, and the quantities
> needed could be easily transported to places where they were to be
> used," the letter said. The letter also suggested exposure of an
> individual to X-rays or to an environment in which he would freeze to
> death. If these methods were too difficult, two methods needing no
> special equipment, the letter said, would be to "smother the victim
> with a pillow or to strangle him with a wide piece of cloth, such as a
> bath towel."
>> Aware of Questionable Nature
>> * In 1952, two Russian agents who were "suspected of being doubled"
> were interrogated using "narcohypnotic" methods. Under medical cover,
> the documents said the two men were given sodium pentothal and a
> stimulant. One interrogation produced a "remarkable" regression, the
> papers said, during which "the subject actually relived certain past
> activities of his life, some dating back 15 years while, in addition,
> the subject totally accepted Mr. [name deleted] as an old and trusted
> and beloved personal friend whom the subject had known in years past
> in Georgia, U.S.S.R."
>> A summary of a 1953 meeting reported a suggestion that the C.I.A.
> work with scientists of an unidentified foreign government, since
> "that country allowed experiments with anthrax," a disease contracted
> from infected cattle and sheep, and the United States did not.
>> The documents given to Mr. Marks were heavily edited, apparently for
> security reasons, but they showed that even while the C.I.A. was
> operating this program it was conscious of its questionable nature.
>> One 1950 memorandum, on finding psychiatrists to conduct experiments,
> noted that one applicant's "ethics might be such that he might not
> care to cooperate in certain more revolutionary phases of our
> project." But it said another candidate's "ethics are such that he
> would be completely cooperative in any phase of our program,
> regardless of how revolutionary it may be."
>> A 1963 inspector general's report that apparently resulted in a
> program being discontinued noted "the concepts involved in
> manipulating human behavior are found by many people both within and
> outside the agency to be distasteful and unethical."
>> According to Mr. Marks's documents and an earlier Senate
> investigation, the C.I.A. conducted secret medical experiments from
> 1949 through 1963 under the code names Bluebird, Artichoke, MK Ultra
> and MK Delta. The C.I.A. inspector general's report in 1963 described
> the program as the "research and development of chemical, biological
> and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine
> operations to control human behavior."
>> 5,000 New Documents
>> Last week, Admiral Turner announced that the agency had discovered
> some 5,000 documents pertaining to the program that were not available
> to the Senate intelligence committee in 1975. They are financial
> records of the various experiments and include the names of doctors
> and medical institutions that performed the tests.
>> Today, Admiral Turner gave the members a closed-door briefing on the
> new material. He will appear before a joint public hearing of the
> intelligence committee and Senator Edward M. Kennedy's health
> subcommittee on July 29 to more fully describe the new findings. The
> intelligence committee staff will begin studying the documents later
> this week.
>> Under the Freedom of Information Act, private citizens can obtain
> heretofore secret government documents, provided they do not endanger
> current national security matters or disclose matters that could
> invade the privacy of other individuals.
>> Mr. Marks charged that it had taken him nearly two years of legal
> pressure to dislodge the material he had received. He said he had
> been promised the additional 5,000 documents before the end of the
>>> The excerpts below are from
> _The Search for the Manchurian Candidate_
>http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks.htm> by John Marks, 1979
>> Chapter 2:
>> Similarly, the Security office planned to use outside consultants to
> find out about such techniques as ultrasonics, vibrations,
> concussions, high and low pressure, the uses of various gases in
> airtight chambers, diet variations, caffeine, fatigue, radiation, heat
> and cold, and changing light. Agency officials looked into all these
> areas and many others. Some they studied intensively; others they
> merely discussed with consultants.
>> Chapter 12:
>> What -- if any -- success the ORD men had in creating heart attacks or
> in any of their other behavioral experiments simply cannot be
> said. Like Sid Gottlieb, Steve Aldrich is not saying, and his
> colleagues seem even more closemouthed than Gottlieb's. In December
> 1977, having gotten wind of the ORD programs, I filed a Freedom of
> Information request for access to ORD files "on behavioral research,
> including but not limited to any research or operational activities
> related to bio-electrics, electric or radio stimulation of the brain,
> electronic destruction of memory, stereotaxic surgery, psychosurgery,
> hypnotism, parapsychology, radiation, microwaves, and ultrasonics." I
> also asked for documentation on behavioral testing in U.S. penal
> institutions, and I later added a request for all available files on
> amnesia. The Agency wrote back six months later that ORD had
> "identified 130 boxes (approximately 130 cubic feet) of material that
> are reasonably expected to contain behavioral research documents."
>> Considering that Admiral Turner and other CIA officials had tried to
> leave the impression with Congress and the public that behavioral
> research had almost all ended in 1963 with the phaseout of MKULTRA,
> this was an amazing admission. The sheer volume of material was
> staggering. This book is based on the 7 boxes of heavily censored
> MKULTRA financial records plus another 3 or so of ARTICHOKE documents,
> supplemented by interviews. It has taken me over a year, with
> significant research help, to digest this much smaller bulk. Clearly,
> greater resources than an individual writer can bring to bear will be
> needed to get to the bottom of the ORD programs.
> Mind Control: TT&P ==> http://www.datafilter.com/mc> Home page: http://www.datafilter.com/alb> Allen Barker