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bipolar religious figures?

John John at overhere.com.au
Fri Aug 15 08:21:34 EST 2003

Recent Aus research found v. good effects of TMS in stopping the voices
assoc with schizophrenia. Results indicated that the voices are "real",
direct innervation of auditory cortex.

As for bipolars and religious, try "Feet of Clay" Anthony Storr.


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"David Dalton" <dalton at nfld.com> wrote in message
news:bfhda2$ekr$1 at coranto.ucs.mun.ca...
> I have read Kay Jamison's book Touched With Fire and
> know that she has documented some innovative past
> bipolar poets, other writers, artists and composers
> who were bipolar and I am wondering if she or anyone
> else has done studies into possibly bipolar past or
> current religious figures.
> My theory is basically that past bipolar religious
> figures were well-educated individuals who sort of
> had the problems of society of the day focussed on
> them (and since well educated, when cracking were
> likely to crackpot with at least some good stuff)
> and then after becoming bipolar came up with some
> important messages and also a fair bit of magical
> thinking (i.e. thinking not supported or contradicted
> by science of the day but not necessarily meeting
> Occam's razor simplicity test, and maybe even at
> times some thinking contradicted by science of the
> day and later possibly validated by later scientific
> advances, such as maybe some eastern mysticism by
> quantum physics and modern psychological consciousness
> research) which at times was just a personal aside
> or personal creativity framework to the main messages
> but in later generations often was rendered more important
> than the main messages by some supposed followers.
> So anyway past religious figures who got crossroads
> info from many muses and then spat out (or were
> inspired if you believe the religions) new main
> messages may have been diagnosed bipolar in modern
> times, those who supposedly (and maybe actually)
> got revelations may have been diagnosed as schizophrenic
> today (though I supect maybe Mohammed was inspired
> to write the Koran and didn't really hear a voice
> but perhaps I'm wrong) and those who got an intermediate
> amount of both inspiration and revelation might have
> been diagnosed as schizoaffective today.
> On my web page I go into some preliminary research
> in which I claim that some major past pagan and
> non-pagan religious figures were bipolar and had
> similar calls, trials, inspirations, low/hermit years,
> maybe enlightenment/graduation at the end of the low years,
> lunar phase correlation, solar flare correlation,
> weather (cherubim) and/or clear sky lightning (seraphim)
> effects, and maybe sunspot cycle correlation.
> However I have done very little related library research since
> 1997 and these days have a geophysics Ph.D. thesis proposal
> to worry about.  But I do have a science section, little
> changed since 1997 (but my thinking has changed a little
> since and I may get around to editing it soon and also
> put in a link to Michael Persinger's web page and any
> related reasonably scientifically sound [which my page
> isn't yet] web pages).   I hope to explain my cycles
> and beliefs from related loving atheist environmentalist
> humanist scientific, polytheistic and monotheistic viewpoints
> but certainly for now my web page is in transition and
> in need of editing but might be worth a quick look (it
> is a fast loading plain text page) even for those who
> have seen it before.   It is the Salmon subpage of
> http://www.nfld.com/~dalton and certainly my psychiatrist
> Michael Nurse here in St. John's, NL, Canada knows
> about it and probably classes it as magical thinking,
> unless there is more evidence to support it, but not quite
> delusion.
> Also I may have come close to being diagnosed as schizoaffective
> before but since I respond well to lithium and if I don't
> drink during waxing moon and don't believe base chakra
> area muscle click divination or other forms of blind intuition
> and my first mental health problem was a mild depression
> in 1986 and a bit later a clear mania in early September 1991
> and since I don't have voices in my head or visions other
> than the blue rose vision of early September 1991 (while
> highly manic) and the dove/lily of the valley/world aids day
> ribbon/dancing sky vagina/fish on tail vision of mid-July
> 1997 while in a mixed/psychotic state Dr. Nurse maintains
> my diagnosis as bipolar.   But I do intend to draw on my
> scientific training a bit more in future and am starting
> to assign some of my beliefs probabilities/intuitive levels
> and not believe them fully without evidence.
> David

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