"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes at easynews.com> wrote in message
news:7viojv4ea85c1h0s3hlh68mh5avo3u7ab1 at 4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:34:30 +1000, Richard Vickery
> <Richard.Vickery at unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>> >Charlie Wilkes wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:42:01 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"
> >> <ThePuppyWizard at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>HOWEDY Richard,
> >>>Those are good suggestions, but will be impossible
> >>>to implement in the same, and perhaps even adjacent
> >>>buildings because DDR permeates the environment
> >>>for at least five hundred feet arHOWEND.
> >>>The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
>> >> Good point. Will successive blind testing work, i.e.,
> >> I monitor and analyze results without knowing which
> >> are control?
You're not gonna have any "control" group within five
hundred feet or MOORE of the DDR Machine, cause
everyWON will hear it.
> > Yes - it just means you can only study new arrivals,
Not if they're all exposed to the SHOWEND.
> > not other cats that might have been exposed (you
> > won't know if the box was on).
Although DDR will calm instances of excitement or
aggression, the way DDR works is rather generalized.
You'll probably not be seeing immediate results, because
this is a LEARNING process. The cats fighting over territory
or evacuating HOWET of their litter boxes will probably
need a couple of days to rehabilitate the ANXIETY that
causes them to indiscriminately fHOWEL their territory
> > This is not a big problem if new cats arrive regularly.
You'd have to have a history of their behaviors before
turning on the SHOWEND, and take a history over the
forthcoming week or two after the SHOWEND therapy
has been instituted.
> > If you have to wait a month between tests it would
> > really slow down the project.
Probably the best way to determine if DDR is having
any effect would be to ask the caretakers to make
notes of anxiety behaviors, aggression, fHOWELING
HOWEtside of litter boxes, self mutilation, seizures,
etc., and compare that with those behaviors after the
DDR is introduced.
> >Best wishes
> >Richard Vickery
>> I've got plenty of time, although my torpor is periodically
> interrupted by consulting assignments for my client.
You'll not have to supervise the proceedure very closely,
so long as the DDR is run appupriately by the staff.
> Such is my fate for the next two weeks,
I'd suggest having the staff at the shelter observe
and make notes on the comfort levels of their
critters. New arivals would be introduced to the
SHOWEND, and their progress monitored and
compared to PAST observations and expectations
of their adjustments to the facility.
> so I will have to postpone my experiment at least that long.
If you want to be there yourself, that'll probably not help.
The nature of the process will not show you any immediate
results. You'll do better with casual observation over a period
of a few days or weeks.
> BUT -- your response is good news, because the
> caged, short-term residents are the ones I want to
> study anyway.
That too, may be difficult to quantify, as those critters
may be difficult at first, and will likely make natural
adjustments to their environment and caretakers,
regardless of the SHOWEND.
> I went to the shelter this afternoon and the manager
> put me to work pulling weeds in the hot sun
Better that than cleanin litter boxes...
> amongst the "ferals," a population of perhaps 40
> long-term residents deemed unsuitable for adoption.
THAT'S THE PUPULATION TO STUDY!!!
We can turn those "unsuitable" critters into HOWEskats,
in a few days of just listening to DDR.
> They have a big, fenced yard with netting over the top,
> and their stress levels are about like those of sun-bathers
> on a beach.
RIGHT. SO LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE TO
INTERACT IN A HUMAN ENVIRONMENT!
> They just aren't the right subjects.
That's The Puppy Wizard's SPECIALTY!
> It will probably be a month or more before I really
> get this project under way, because I want to get
> to know the people at the shelter
All you need from them are their past and current observations.
> and earn some credibility before I pursue my own
> agenda on their turf.
Well, this will be a HUGE benefit for their critters.
From: Chris Williams (k9apple at webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST
Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.
A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.
She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.
> Meanwhile I will plan my approach, and your
> guidance has been very helpful indeed.
Indeed. But the prospect of a "blind" study will
be impossible, in this setting. The only way to
do a "blind" study would be to have several
shelters operating "live" and "placebo" DDR
Machines, and then comparing the staff's
> I imagine I should do a series of blind tests with
> random controls to minimize the "noise" of different
> cat personalities.
The Puppy Wizard would not deny any critters of
benefit, on the basis of compiling data. The data
will be REVOLUTIONARY to say the least, just
by turning DDR on in their environment and asking
the staff for their observations over a week or two.
> Whatever I do, I'll put detailed results on the Internet
> for all to see. Jerry Howe is selling this machine.
Jerry Howe, A.K.A. The Puppy Wizard invented this machine.
> He has a controversial personality
No. It's not HIS personality, it's HIS INFORMATION
which is higly controversial. The Puppy Wizard has
PROVEN most of HOWER health, temperament,
and behavior problems, are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
These FINDINGS have recently been VERIFIED at
Purdue and UofOH in indepentent studies not involving
DDR or The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method, which employs the same same
same same principles, minus the advantage of DDR's
calming SHOWEND program.
The International Opthalmic Association CONCURS
THAT STRESS and PRESSURE ON THE THROAT
as in men wearing tight neckties PRECIPITATES
GLAUCOMA and CATARACTS.
professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog Maxie The
FuriHOWESLY Magnificent Obsessively Compulsive
Masturbator is PRIMA FASCIA EVIDENCE of The
Puppy Wizard's FINDINGS...
> that warps most discussion about him and his product.
NO. What WARPS these discussions are the certified
liars and dog abusers who DEFEND HURTING animals
to train them. They've got a vested interest in the status
quo to PROTECT THEIR OWN FEELINGS, Charlie.
BECAUSE IF The Puppy Wizard is RIGHT, THEY'RE
HOWETA BUSINESS... like The Puppy Wizard said
when HE first came here five years ago...
NHOWE that the dog studies have been completed,
it's time to take this vital information to the FAMILY and
CHILD rearing interests at state and federal government
levels to TEACH UNCONSCIHOWES ABUSERS appupriate handling and
training of animals and children and institute
LAWS with TEETH in them, defending innocent children
and livestock from these INTENTIONAL abusers and
UNIVERSITY TRAINED BEHAVIORISTS who DEFEND
HURTING PATIENTS when they run HOWETA INFORMATION and IDEAS.
> I want to get past that bullshit.
Only way to do that is to EXXXPOSE them as liars,
dog abusers, and certified active mental cases who
hurt and kill dogs to compensate for their fragile
defective ego's, inferiority complexes, and weak minds.
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>>>- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>>>lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
>> depression) will "put down a biter
>> as fast as anyone" yet claims to
>> be a saintly dog rescuer
>>>Lynn K. wrote:
>>>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
>>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
>>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
>>>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
>>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
>>they work for.
>>>>Someone has to be responsible for that
>>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
>>by a non-volunteer."
>>>>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
>>every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
>>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
>>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>>>>Should I have refused to groom them?
>>>>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
>>had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT? Here's MOORE:
RPD* Mentally Ill AllStaRz as of 7/4/03
MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only
fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't
mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
Updated list as of 7/04/2003:
list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homosexuals
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual
(super psycho results at several large pharmaceutical corps
bitch lunatic has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
queen of the drug treatment in the book, and then some:
mentally fucked prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
in the head effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin,
has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
mood swings, turned into a hermit,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her,
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze,"
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches,
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia,
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds,
on a long term basis, and it's not
You become another person, if it's not
correct med for you.
--All the best,
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
"I noticed that antidepressants cut
into the dead zone and I had no real
like not laughing at funny stuff,
either.....except about my suicidal
(but at the time I thought there was no
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
I talked with RE and pharmacist re:
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid.
reported none. Not sure about the prozac
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
--MaryBeth <still feeling like
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
many many treasured ppl and things.
don't do the same.
"Slowly but surely my depression got
worse. They put me on meds for it, and
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR,
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
Theresa Willis (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
shelly couvrette OCD, depression, drugs to be named
(familial mental illness, possibly
to family bed) obsessively starves
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems
Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years
prior to her marriage. During her
marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my
marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical
simply because of our too human ability
to prolong the impact of the causal
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also
problems with other substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance
"Tara (who had some problems with
few substances as well, but who
are separate issues.....so which
that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people
a problem with drugs even though
alcoholics. I'm not one of
those people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
Kevin Michael various mental illness drugs, started
Vail zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
antidepressant, stopped after
side effects, now on SSRI and in
Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)
Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)
Charlie Wilkes drugged out, crazy, fucked up all his
life, Christ the shit he's been
including psych wards and electroshock
treatments but now pulling down major
as a business consultant. Triumphing
adversity, with a damn good life and a
well trained dog (very much unlike
Karen DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for
aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her
of it. Some of her best friends "are
certifiable" and have various degrees
psychoses. Familial mental disability.
Refuses to say whether or not she is
currently using drug or cognitive
for mental illness.
Mike "DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry
Dufort (pending) with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to
HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's
Jim Sabatke Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has
trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
the "brain shivers"
From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke at execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me. The only down side is
that my blood pressure has elevated
somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
be really bad.
"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
"After several years on Effexor IR, my
pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
experienced fairly severe Effexor
withdrawel until I went back to the IR."
<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders
specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come
forward, we can help each other with our problems.
Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or
idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).
Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and
have been added to this by mistake, so we can make
our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list.
mental health weekly
Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
author of the zero selling book
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
"BethF" <dawg at alaska.com> wrote in message
news:ugc7us32ki5fb9 at corp.supernews.com...
>> "Frank" <flmarcher at netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03 at posting.google.com...> > dfrntdrums at aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597 at mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" brianev at attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
:> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
:> > > All of it. Every last bit.
:> > All of it?
:> > Ear pinching?
:> > Shock collars?
:> > Spiked chokers?
:> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2dogs at rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca at 220.127.116.11...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1 at uwm.edu...
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer at alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1 at earthlink.net>
rhurwitz at earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
face for 5
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
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