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who are our allies?

Julia Frugoli jfrugol at CLEMSON.EDU
Fri Jan 26 20:13:39 EST 2001


>I just read the book 'Athena Unbound,' about women in
>science, and it made two points I hadn't thought much
>about. One, which Brian made here already, is that
>younger male faculty are also concerned about the
>difficulty of balancing family and science. The other
>was that the departments in which changes were made to
>solve this problem were usually departments in which
>a senior male faculty member became convinced that
>the changes needed to be made.

Someone has made the point (and no, my grant wracked brain can't 
recall who) that senior men become involved when their own children, 
especially their daughters, faced these problems.  Thus, they always 
felt the department didn't have a problem until their daughter, 
struggling at another university, ran into gender discrimination or 
the broader "family discrimination" and they realized she'd be 
treated the same way at dad's institution.


>
>This made me wonder whether there are any women-in-science
>outreach activities aimed specifically at senior male
>faculty. What about, for instance, a group to help the
>advisors of female graduate students?
>

I wince at lumping all female graduate students into a pile-each and 
every person is quite different.  I think that there are problems 
unique to female graduate students, problems that occur for both male 
and female students but more often for females, and then a whole set 
of problems that occur in pigeon holes that cross gender-the advisor 
from hell, the sudden loss of funding mid degree, etc.  Rather than a 
group to help advisors of female graduate students, which encourages 
the idea that female graduate students are somehow a problem, how 
about a focus on personal and career issues that effect grad students 
in general?

Most faculty are clueless when it comes to the personal issues their 
students are facing. We are trained to make them good scientists. The 
old school idea is to teach the process of science, and let the 
personal take care of itself.  But watching my fellow graduate 
students drop out of science one by one, I realized it was often 
because of situations that could have been avoided through 
compassionate advising (1) the advisor didn't understand that a 
divorce in the middle of graduate school had effects on a students 
work and should be taken into account (2 friends here) (2) the 
advisor/program frowned on having children mid degree and made life 
difficult, or at the very least commented constantly on the 
questionable devotion to science of the parent (4 friends here, one 
male) (3) family matters aren't given equal weight with science 
matters (see below).

I still remember a research-in-progress talk I had to give to my 
department.  My daughter had major surgery the week before, and I was 
doing coursework at the time (year 3).  I managed to miss only one 
class, but with my daughter home from the hospital I didn't think I 
could pull together my talk in time.  I asked my advisor if I could 
reschedule.  The answer was no, unless I found someone who wanted to 
trade times with me (on a week's notice, which I couldn't) because 
"you should have thought of this weeks ago and it's not fair to 
others if you get special consideration". Frankly, I had other things 
on my mind (the impending surgery).  I ended up giving the talk 
because my mother took a week off from work and drove from another 
state to assist in caring for my daughter, but how many people have 
that kind of support?  And the worst part of it was-the talk was 
MEANINGLESS in the big picture-it wouldn't have hurt anyone to 
reschedule it, but my advisor was trying to prove something (I leave 
it to the group to decide what he proved).  Yet, the week before when 
I broke down in the lab because I hadn't slept in days due to my 
daughter's illness, he was quite understanding.  If you asked this 
man, he'd tell you what a compassionate advisor he is, and point to 
my degree as proof-he kept me as a student despite the influence of 
my at-times-chaotic personal life.  I think sometimes we don't 
realize the far-reaching consequences of little actions we take, for 
good or for bad.

Having said all that, there's a school of thought that I half agree 
with that says you shouldn't coddle graduate students because it 
simply postpones the inevitable smashing against the hard cruel 
world.  Experiences like the one above taught me how to "produce" no 
matter what my personal state.  this is good  for my science and my 
students, but probably not for me as a person.  And I still think 
it's the hard cruel world of science that needs to change, not the 
people who have a life.

Can you tell I should be writing something else-I'm procrastinating....

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Julia Frugoli
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Biological Sciences
Clemson University
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